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Author Topic: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?  (Read 45182 times)

lukappaseidue

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2016, 09:20:58 AM »
still no luck
tried with TOSLINK cable and on "playback" setting, set SPDIF on RAW, but nothing changed
only 48 Khz is shown :(
This may be a silly question but I assume you have updated your firmware to the latest version? 
Have you checked the audio file you are playing with MediaInfo to confirm it is above 48Khz?

First, THANK YOU for your reply.
I am running the latest original 1.0.3 firmware (downloaded from here) and even my YAMAHA RX 573 has the latest (1.16)
The test file I have played is downloaded from http://www.2l.no/hires/
Here the pic





Another strange thing: if I put the USB pen drive with 192Khz 24bit file into directly to my AVR, it can not be played (unable to play) But I know that the AVR is 192Khz/24bit capable :(


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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2016, 09:28:16 AM »
these are the specification of my Yamaha AVR RX 573
http://it.yamaha.com/it/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v573_g/?mode=model

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2016, 09:29:18 AM »

The test file I have played is downloaded from http://www.2l.no/hires/
Another strange thing: if I put the USB pen drive with 192Khz 24bit file into directly to my AVR, it can not be played (unable to play) But I know that the AVR is 192Khz/24bit capable :(
Not sure what is wrong here but it is not the Q10Pro. 
I was able to download the 192Khz sample file  2L38_01_192Khz.flac from the same website and it plays fine through to my Yamaha, straight from the NAS.  Tested with Media Centre and also Kodi (which picks up and shows the metadata from the track).
Maybe check your AVR input settings? 

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2016, 09:33:08 AM »

The test file I have played is downloaded from http://www.2l.no/hires/
Another strange thing: if I put the USB pen drive with 192Khz 24bit file into directly to my AVR, it can not be played (unable to play) But I know that the AVR is 192Khz/24bit capable :(
Not sure what is wrong here but it is not the Q10Pro. 
I was able to download the 192Khz sample file  2L38_01_192Khz.flac from the same website and it plays fine through to my Yamaha, straight from the NAS.  Tested with Media Centre and also Kodi (which picks up and shows the metadata from the track).
Maybe check your AVR input settings?

thank you for your reply.
What kind of setting I have to check?
Could you help me? In the link I posted above, there is also the manual. Please, could you be son kindly to help me.
I think to have set all in the right way, but now I don't know if it is so. :(

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2016, 01:51:56 PM »
I'm from http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=947.0 with possibly the same problem.
Let's help each other.

Firstly, some explanations about sound settings. There is no manual from vendor so it's my assumption. If I'm wrong somewhere just correct me.

All settings are there (except Volume): Settings -> PlayBack:

1. HDMI Output : what device send to AVR through HDMI. Possible values are: LPCM - player reads source file, makes some convertations and sends result to AVR. RAW - player reads file and sends to AVR without any convertations. Auto - player somehow desides what to do and choises LPCM or RAW mode. Close - does not send anything to HDMI.
2. SPDIF Output: the same as previous but SPDIF related.
3. HBR Output  : what to do with High BitRate(?) sources. Possible values are: RAW 5.1 - send 7.1 and higher sources to AVR only 5.1ch without any conversation or downmix it to 5.1ch (don't know what player really does). RAW 7.1 - the same as previous but 7.1ch related. Auto - player chooses something between described values and possible another ones that are not in menu (downmix to 2ch, resampling and so on).

I want the internal player to send music files directly to AVR. How to check it: I hear music, AVR shows the same samplerate as source has, optionaly volume can be changed only with AVR (it means player passtrough source streem to AVR).

I've tested with that source (2ch, 24bit/192kHz) - http://www.lindberg.no/hires/test/2L38_01_192kHz.flac
I've tested each test case below with all SPDIF Output values (LPCM, RAW and Close) just ommited it here to reduce post. It does not impact to result.

1-st test case (TS1):
1. RAW
3. RAW 7.1

2-nd test case (TS2):
1. RAW
3. RAW 5.1

3-rd test case (TS3):
1. RAW
3. Auto

4-th test case (TS4):
1. LPCM
3. Not allowed.

5-th test case (TS5):
1. Auto
3. RAW 7.1

6-th test case (TS6):
1. Auto
3. RAW 5.1

7-th test case (TS7):
1. Auto
3. Auto

The results are:

TS1: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.
TS2: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.
TS3: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.
TS4: I hear music, AVR shows 48kHz samplerate, volume can be changed with AVR and player.
TS5: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.
TS6: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.
TS7: I hear music, AVR shows 48kHz samplerate, volume can be changed with AVR and player.

To be sure that my AVR can play 192kHz source I've run the same file from another player attached to the same AVR. I hear music, AVR shows 192kHz samplerate, volume can be changed with AVR and player.

Could you please (or someone who read to the end) spend some time to run test cases and post results here?
« Last Edit: June 12, 2016, 01:53:49 PM by qqq1971 »

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2016, 02:37:44 PM »
I'm from http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=947.0 with possibly the same problem.
Let's help each other.

1-st test case (TS1):
1. RAW
2. RAW
3. RAW 7.1

The results are:
TS1: I don't hear music, AVR shows no signal.

Could you please (or someone who read to the end) spend some time to run test cases and post results here?
Something is amiss here.  Using your TS1 settings (and Q10 Pro firmware 1.0.3) my Yamaha passes the 192Khz audio test file fine.
Your results (of no audio at all on RAW) are what was happening to me with the original (shipping) firmware.   
The difference for myself was the firmware.  I have always had the HDMI straight settings into my AVR. 
I use RAW, RAW and RAW 7.1 and now everything is working fine for my unit.  Unfortunately, I cannot suggest what settings on your AVR to change as there are too many variables.

Do 7.1 movie files and PureAudio Blu-rays pass HD audio to your AVR correctly?
 

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2016, 02:53:17 PM »
I use the latests firmware 1.0.3 2016-05-23.124800 and it's happends only with 2-channel 24/192 sources.

Pure Audio BD 5.1ch 24/192 iso plays fine but when I switch to second track with 2ch 24/192 I hear silence. I've got both tracks to flac from this BD and 5.1ch flac plays fine too. 2channel does not plays. Hardware BD player plays both tracks without problem.

Anyway thanks for reply.

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2016, 10:14:34 PM »
here what's happening
https://youtu.be/KQBWA82638Y

here a pic of a trailer: the AVR show (below) PCM and STEREO even if audio is AAC 5.1
[img=http://s33.postimg.org/y9on80bij/IMG_20160612_215606451.jpg]
« Last Edit: June 12, 2016, 10:22:47 PM by lukappaseidue »

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2016, 10:24:12 PM »
I use the latests firmware 1.0.3 2016-05-23.124800 and it's happends only with 2-channel 24/192 sources.

Pure Audio BD 5.1ch 24/192 iso plays fine but when I switch to second track with 2ch 24/192 I hear silence. I've got both tracks to flac from this BD and 5.1ch flac plays fine too. 2channel does not plays. Hardware BD player plays both tracks without problem.

Anyway thanks for reply.

where can I find a test Pure Audio BD 5.1ch 24/192 iso or files?

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2016, 11:44:34 PM »
As I understand from video you runs following sequencies:

1. 2ch 96khz - plays
2. 2ch 192khz - does not play
3. multich 96kkhz - plays
4. 2ch 48 - plays

Is it right? If so and all your sound settings RAW then I'm not alone. ** demo is only stereo too for me.

[q]where can I find a test Pure Audio BD 5.1ch 24/192 iso or files?[/q]

You can try to find samples http://kodi.wiki/view/Samples

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 08:37:26 AM »
As I understand from video you runs following sequencies:

1. 2ch 96khz - plays
2. 2ch 192khz - does not play
3. multich 96kkhz - plays
4. 2ch 48 - plays

Is it right? If so and all your sound settings RAW then I'm not alone. ** demo is only stereo too for me.

[q]where can I find a test Pure Audio BD 5.1ch 24/192 iso or files?[/q]

You can try to find samples http://kodi.wiki/view/Samples
I think that we have the same issue.
Now we are not alone.
I have been able to play Dolby digital , dd+ and hd too and even all type of dts supporter by my Yamaha rx 573 dts hd mastered.
Only 192/24 😞

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2016, 10:51:31 PM »
nobody has been able to solve this issue?
Very sad

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2016, 07:11:42 AM »
Have you had a look in Kodi settings as there is a drop down box under Audio for limiting the output, by default this is not set at the 192Khz, I would check this out and apply setting and try again, you may have to change to Kodi Expert Settings to change this although I am not sure if this is the case.

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2016, 08:04:00 AM »
Have you had a look in Kodi settings as there is a drop down box under Audio for limiting the output, by default this is not set at the 192Khz, I would check this out and apply setting and try again, you may have to change to Kodi Expert Settings to change this although I am not sure if this is the case.

Thank you for your reply, but it happen even with HIMEDIA MEDIA CENTER

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Re: Q5/Q10 pro and the 24bit/192khz passthrough for music?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2016, 02:57:04 PM »
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nobody has been able to solve this issue?

I think only Himedia developers (or developer) can do it. And only when futeko will pay attention to the problem. Or hdmkv (with all my respect) will change that: "AQ = A+ (All formats bitstream great!)" at http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=265888. The only ones have direct conections with Himedia as far as I know.

 

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