Author Topic: why not H.265/HEVC Main10 profile@Level5.1 High , just 4.1 ??? (Read 21876 times)

farlucco · « **on:** January 07, 2018, 09:20:43 AM »

hi

why in the q5 pro and q10pro isnt possible to watch movie with H.265/HEVC Main/10bit profile@Level5.1 High ?
only profile 4.1 supported with hevc ,but the processor is the same as eqreat a5 and a10 ,that can use and watch hevc 5.1 profile?

if the processore and the gpu is the same its only a software problem, means that a new firmware can solve this!!!!

why didnt you put the 5.1 profile enable? i have a clue...... maybe the customers have to spend more money and change tv box ?!?!?!?!?
maybe is just a marketing.....off course....money can do everything.....

Gaia · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2018, 12:49:34 PM »

The Q5 Pro and Q10 Pro to support the H.265/HEVC Main/10bit level. UHD-BD compatible.

Specification detail:

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HDR, or High Dynamic Range, delivers an image with wider dynamic colour range. This means richer and more nuanced colours, deeper blacks, and an overall more immersive image. HiMedia Q10 Pro supports 10bit HDR10.

The old modell (Q5, Q10) not support 10bit HEVC.

Bostjan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2018, 05:36:46 PM »

Well, I just watched a movie on Q5 Pro that was in HEVC/Main 10/L5.1/High - so your information about that profile not being supported is wrong.

Why do you think it is not supported?

farlucco · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2018, 05:11:33 PM »

ive tried many test.
the hevc 1080p profile@Level5.1 High and 10bit depth dont go.....no image....
hevc profile 4.1 high and 10 bit depth go well .....but 5.1 and 10bit dont go...
im sure of this....
but its stupid thing....cause the a5 and a10 egreat have same processor and support 5.1 hevc with 10bit

Bostjan · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2018, 07:32:29 PM »

Have you actually tried Egreat on the same equipment (HDMI cable+TV+possible AVR in the middle, etc)? If not, it is possible that you have a weak link in your whole chain that causes no image on TV as result. One of possible causes could be also HDMI bandwidth which is quite high on example you're talking about. What about frame rate of your content that produces no image - if its like 60fps, than it could easily be the bandwidth related problem in correlation with poor HDMI cable for example.

Here are the details of the movie, that works fine on Q5 Pro:
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2 h 2 min
Bit rate : 14.2 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 1 600 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.096
Stream size : 12.1 GiB (69%)
Writing library : x265 2.5+58-06979c042350:[Windows][GCC 6.2.1][64 bit] 10bit
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 720 cd/m2

trishul1979 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2018, 06:36:35 PM »

Hi,

I have installed the latest version "HMD-2.0.7 2018-01-12.113104" and trying to play media files through Media player (not KODI).

Most of the files (90%) do not play. Some files do not play at all, while other starts playing and after few seconds stops playing. I checked all files using my laptop and all works fine.

Here is mediainfo for 2 of them

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General
Unique ID : 17667678451364584979807226723652406835 (0xD4AABCD0F8DAF4D497C1F8BC8ED0E33)
Complete name : movie.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 66.4 GiB
Duration : 2h 28mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 64.2 Mbps
Movie name : movie
Encoded date : UTC 2018-03-10 05:00:06
Writing application : mkvmerge v20.0.0 ('I Am The Sun') 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.3.5 + libmatroska v1.4.8
Attachements : small_cover.jpg / small_cover_land.jpg / cover.jpg / cover_land.jpg
DURATION : 02:28:01.856000000
NUMBER_OF_FRAMES : 277558
NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 497383936
_STATISTICS_WRITING_APP : mkvmerge v20.0.0 ('I Am The Sun') 64-bit
_STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC : 2018-03-10 05:00:06
_STATISTICS_TAGS : BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2h 28mn
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Title : movie
Writing library : ATEME Titan File 3.8.3 (4.8.3.0)
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 28mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Inception.2010.2160p.BluRay.REMUX.HEVC.DTS-HD.MA.5.1-FGT
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 28mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 678 MiB (1%)
Title : movie
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 5
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 28mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 475 MiB (1%)
Title : Hindi 6ch
Language : Hindi
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text
ID : 4
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Title : English-PGS
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 1
00:11:41.742 : en:Chapter 2
00:21:37.337 : en:Chapter 3
00:31:20.336 : en:Chapter 4
00:41:22.229 : en:Chapter 5
00:51:13.737 : en:Chapter 6
01:01:21.552 : en:Chapter 7
01:10:29.683 : en:Chapter 8
01:22:15.597 : en:Chapter 9
01:31:52.590 : en:Chapter 10
01:40:38.532 : en:Chapter 11
01:51:22.175 : en:Chapter 12
02:00:54.413 : en:Chapter 13
02:10:09.051 : en:Chapter 14
02:20:55.447 : en:Chapter 15

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General
Unique ID : 155131752711355149719400244839762267326 (0x74B549EDF55B90894B2156E5F9328CBE)
Complete name : movie1.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 50.0 GiB
Duration : 2h 14mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 53.1 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2018-03-10 06:36:16
Writing application : mkvmerge v20.0.0 ('I Am The Sun') 64-bit
Writing library : libebml v1.3.5 + libmatroska v1.4.8
DURATION : 02:13:17.198000000
NUMBER_OF_FRAMES : 2828
NUMBER_OF_BYTES : 21043183
_STATISTICS_WRITING_APP : mkvmerge v20.0.0 ('I Am The Sun') 64-bit
_STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC : 2018-03-10 06:36:16
_STATISTICS_TAGS : BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2h 14mn
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 432 MiB (1%)
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 432 MiB (1%)
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 5
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 6
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 7
Format : PGS
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Default : No
Forced : No

I can upload sample if required

redderflag · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:24:40 AM »

I am trying to play 4k videos and my Display is a Epson 5030 (1080p) and they do not play using the wrapper.
Blue Planet/Planet Earth..

Media Info:

Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 53 min 12 s
Bit rate : 66.0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.332

What settings would help?
Thanks!

Bostjan · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2018, 08:03:45 AM »

Strange, I did not encounter problems with any 4k content so far.

Based on your description it could be bandwidth related problem. How are video files feed to Media player? Locally attached HDD, USB key, LAN (what is the connection speed?), WiFi,...?

futeko.com · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:30:45 AM »

Please upload a sample.

Mount81 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2018, 10:48:37 AM »

I have no problems with playing the 140Mbit/s test video from a USB 3.0 HDD plugged in the USB 2.0 port.

But still could be port power insufficiency in your case. Can be the Power adapter, or/and if you have more power demanding USB devices/internal HDD plugged in at once. Or your USB HDD simply has over-regular power demand.

futeko.com · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2018, 11:07:02 AM »

I'd like a sample, at least then the problem can be determined to be either universal to all Q10 Pro (i.e. format not supported) or something specific to this box.

Mount81 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:41:41 PM »

Just another tip: How about disk fragmentation and enough free space on the HDD? These (and specially their combination) can also cause performance issues.
You can check it with Windows Disk Defragmenter. And if the HDD lacks enough free space (it varies how much by the overall size of the HDD), it's also advised to free up a couple more GB-s (sometimes several 10GBs)...

futeko.com · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:07:08 PM »

Please don't post the same thing multiple times in multiple threads.

I think this thread is actually most relevant to this problem, so I am going to merge the other thread into this one.

looun · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2018, 04:16:39 PM »

Main 10@L5.1@High is wrong codec

.

I suppose you try to watch 4K UHD Untouched , this mkv video are mix from BD UHD video trace(from english region ) and DB audio trace (from other region like italy ).

This video are not true Untouched or not true 4K UHD, it's a fake.

Wait true 4K UHD when release in your region.

Bostjan · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2018, 12:59:21 PM »

Quote from: looun on March 19, 2018, 04:16:39 PM

Main 10@L5.1@High is wrong codec .

I suppose you try to watch 4K UHD Untouched , this mkv video are mix from BD UHD video trace(from english region ) and DB audio trace (from other region like italy ).

This video are not true Untouched or not true 4K UHD, it's a fake.

Wait true 4K UHD when release in your region.

What do you mean by wrong codec? Main 10@L5.1@High is perfectly legal HEVC profile with max bitrate of up to 160.000 kbps (check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding_tiers_and_levels). Why do you think media player "cares" if mkv has different video and audio tracks as long as they are in accordance with codes profiles and rules?

I suspect the problem is not in the HEVC profile Main 10@L5.1@High itself, but in the bitrate that Media Player is able to handle. That is why some users report they have no problem playing such files, but others do. Profile itself only defines MAX bitrate. When having time, I'll check a little bit more and get back with results. Because when dealing with high bitrates you have to be careful that transport in any stage is not the real bottleneck (like HHD, USB interface, network,...).

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