Pixeleration and artifacts with x264 10bit

[Eriol]

Today I tried my first x264 10bit video files and I found out that there are serious pixeleration and various artifacts in the videos with internal player. I tried several files from various sources and they all have the same problem. Kodi doesn't even play them properly, video is slow and audio gets out of sync then, etc.

Pictures with red artifacts and some pixeleration (first picture down at right):
http://imgur.com/a/AuOja

Maybe just I didn't set something up right, so pls help.

[looun]

Today I tried my first x264 10bit video files and I found out that there are serious pixeleration and various artifacts in the videos with internal player. I tried several files from various sources and they all have the same problem. Kodi doesn't even play them properly, video is slow and audio gets out of sync then, etc.

Pictures with red artifacts and some pixeleration (first picture down at right):
http://imgur.com/a/AuOja

Maybe just I didn't set something up right, so pls help.

h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format , there is NOT ANY device can decoding this format.
Only some software for PC can decoding this format.

Convert your file into h.265 10 bit, this is the right format coming from UHD standard.

h.264 10bit is dead , forget this fromat.

[Nice Monkey]

[h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format , there is NOT ANY device can decoding this format.
Only some software for PC can decoding this format.

Convert your file into h.265 10 bit, this is the right format coming from UHD standard.

h.264 10bit is dead , forget this fromat.

May I contradict this statement. Deep Color (12-bit and 10-bit) is an optional standard coming with Blu Ray since the start. Recent BD-Players all include an option to enable Deep Color and so do most TV's since many years. Some support 10-bit but most do12-bit (may be referred to as 30-bit or 36-bit on some equipment).  I do own a number of HQ commercial BD's (all being Concert/Music events)  recorded at 1080P60 with Deep Color 12-bit enabled. My Philips and Pioneer BD-Players produce an excellent picture with this. Reported the lack of Deep Color support during my review already as it resulted in a bad picture not just lack of a superior picture.

The Q10 Pro ignores this optional BD standard altogether (as media players in general do).  I see a similar thing happening now with the optional Dolby Vision standard for 4K UHD BD's and it remains to be seen where that leads to as soon as Dolby Vision is used on new 4K UHD movie discs.

Pcristy pointed out to me that we were mixing X264 and H264 standards. The BD standard includes H264 obviously.
But x264 just being an open source implementation of H.264 my statement remains.

I consider Loouns advice as a valid bypass to the problem as I don't expect Deep Color support to be added. I am the first one to admit that Deep Color remained an exotic standard with BD. I can't play them on Q10 Pro anyway as these discs typically use individual Titles per Song requiring Full menu support. A reason for me to keep using the original physical discs which bypasses the problem for me another way.

[Eriol]

h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format

May I contradict this statement.

Actually wikipedia disagres as well. High 10 Profile (Hi10P, 110) is a standard h264 profile with 10 bit bit depth.  It used widely for animated videos especialy for anime. My 7 years old LG BD390 van play this format as well.

Anyway, its sad that himedia does not support it and reencodeing all my anime is just a realy bad but at least highly time consuming idea. :\

My other idea is... is it possible to install MX Player to the Q5 Pro? I'm not at home to try this right now.

[Nice Monkey]

i was not aware that Anime was using it too. Many people like that.

MX Player probably works but if it solves the problem? I am not sure the chipset/drivers do support it.
To be honest never came across a media player supporting deep color with 1080P  (unless based on the cloned HW of a real BD-player).

[looun]

h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format

May I contradict this statement.

Actually wikipedia disagres as well. High 10 Profile (Hi10P, 110) is a standard h264 profile with 10 bit bit depth.  It used widely for animated videos especialy for anime. My 7 years old LG BD390 van play this format as well.

Anyway, its sad that himedia does not support it and reencodeing all my anime is just a realy bad but at least highly time consuming idea. :\

My other idea is... is it possible to install MX Player to the Q5 Pro? I'm not at home to try this right now.

h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format  use from "entertainment industry", not for codec.
There are not "original" matrial at h.264 10bit,so there is not chipset development for hardware decoding ,maybe LG BD390 do a SW decoding.

also Kodi have abandoned this format, with h.265 10 bit support from many chipset h.264 not have any sense .

[h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format , there is NOT ANY device can decoding this format.
Only some software for PC can decoding this format.

Convert your file into h.265 10 bit, this is the right format coming from UHD standard.

h.264 10bit is dead , forget this fromat.

May I contradict this statement. Deep Color (12-bit and 10-bit) is an optional standard coming with Blu Ray since the start. Recent BD-Players all include an option to enable Deep Color and so do most TV's since many years. Some support 10-bit but most do12-bit (may be referred to as 30-bit or 36-bit on some equipment).  I do own a number of HQ commercial BD's (all being Concert/Music events)  recorded at 1080P60 with Deep Color 12-bit enabled. My Philips and Pioneer BD-Players produce an excellent picture with this. Reported the lack of Deep Color support during my review already as it resulted in a bad picture not just lack of a superior picture.

are you sure ? on  kodi forum many time is replicated that there are not any original Deep Color material.

there are 1080P60  BD   i never see.. 

[Nice Monkey]

Oh yes there is 1080P60 material with and without Deep Color on BD. I do own a fair collection of those and play them on real BD-players from the physical disc. These are all Concerts/Music/DTS-Demo BD's in extreme high quality specifically the sound. I am not really sure they in fact use H264 could be another codec.

Just go to a large shop selling TV"s and the chance they use one of these is high. Excellent demo material (a bit cheating yes).
Just do a  search for "DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc" every year a new one is released. Per Track frame-rates and Deep color may vary. Playing these is a real challenge for your home theater setup inclusive the cables.  No never found a movie in 1080P60 and neither in 1080P24 with Deep Color.

Anime coming from Japan seems to use it too. That is a another very specific market with a very high quality standard. Japan is also the only country with still a decent market for SACD.

[Eriol]

h.264 10bit is NOT a standard video format  use from "entertainment industry", not for codec.

Hi10P is part of the official MPEG-4 Part 10 Advanced Video Coding standard.  If the commercial entertainment industry uses it or not that's a totally different question. And let's be honest, these media boxes are mainly for playing bluray rips, webdl, ets so they should have much more compatibility in codec wise than just the compatibility with the formats used by the commercial industry. But I really don't see the point to argue argue about this, I just accept the fact that the Q5 Pro internal player and kodi does not support it.

However I installed MX Player and it's playing x264 10bit perfectly on the Q5 Pro. So I just need to find out how to configure the wrapper to redirect x264 10bit to MX player. Any idea about this?

[Eriol]

Bad news: artifacts are coming back with MX Player as well. Ohh well I may need to reeencode my whole library of anime.

[Nice Monkey]

However I installed MX Player and it's playing x264 10bit perfectly on the Q5 Pro. So I just need to find out how to configure the wrapper to redirect x264 10bit to MX player. Any idea about this?

Interesting. Are you sure they really put out Deep Color. What I have seen is that most just strip the extra bits and put out 8-bit only.
Your TV or AMP may reveal this.

Burning to disc and using a real BD-Player solves the thing too. Discs are cheap these days.

[looun]

Oh yes there is 1080P60 material with and without Deep Color on BD. I do own a fair collection of those and play them on real BD-players from the physical disc. These are all Concerts/Music/DTS-Demo BD's in extreme high quality specifically the sound. I am not really sure they in fact use H264 could be another codec.

Just go to a large shop selling TV"s and the chance they use one of these is high. Excellent demo material (a bit cheating yes).
Just do a  search for "DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc" every year a new one is released. Per Track frame-rates and Deep color may vary. Playing these is a real challenge for your home theater setup inclusive the cables.  No never found a movie in 1080P60 and neither in 1080P24 with Deep Color.

Anime coming from Japan seems to use it too. That is a another very specific market with a very high quality standard. Japan is also the only country with still a decent market for SACD.

DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc have some video at 59.97 not 60 fps, which number have Deep Color? i have all, i use it for test   

Bad news: artifacts are coming back with MX Player as well. Ohh well I may need to reeencode my whole library of anime.

like i say x.264 10bit not work well use h.265 10 bit  like suggested  from expert into kodi form http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=257629&pid=2225059#pid2225059

[Nice Monkey]

DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc have some video at 59.97 not 60 fps, which number have Deep Color? i have all, i use it for test   
like i say x.264 10bit not work well use h.265 10 bit  like suggested  from expert into kodi form http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=257629&pid=2225059#pid2225059

OK so you have some 1080P60 files yourself (which includes 59,97 in my perception). I need to run through them to find the songs with Deep Color.
Finding them yourself using the Himedia is pretty easy as these produce a bad picture, hence the problem reported.
I am pretty sure disc 3 has some (like that disc). Selecting numbers is cumbersome as these use a track per song.
I use a Pioneer BDP-LX55 now for playing and that one has the nasty habbit to put out everything at the selected Deep Color setting.  Many BD-players do that. My Philips BDP-7500mkII switches DC with the source but is not available.

[looun]

DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc have some video at 59.97 not 60 fps, which number have Deep Color? i have all, i use it for test   
like i say x.264 10bit not work well use h.265 10 bit  like suggested  from expert into kodi form http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=257629&pid=2225059#pid2225059

OK so you have some 1080P60 files yourself (which includes 59,97 in my perception). I need to run through them to find the songs with Deep Color.
Finding them yourself using the Himedia is pretty easy as these produce a bad picture, hence the problem reported.
I am pretty sure disc 3 has some (like that disc). Selecting numbers is cumbersome as these use a track per song.
I use a Pioneer BDP-LX55 now for playing and that one has the nasty habbit to put out everything at the selected Deep Color setting.  Many BD-players do that. My Philips BDP-7500mkII switches DC with the source but is not available.

i have check DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc  from 4 to 14 ,there is not Deep Color or 10 bit video.

[Nice Monkey]

i have check DTS Blu-Ray Music Demo Disc  from 4 to 14 ,there is not Deep Color or 10 bit video.

I have seen it on disc-1 to disc-3 most probably disc-3. Used these as my test discs.
I had real trouble to find a box that would play these. The only media player working was an old Eminent 7385  with specific Deep Color support. Some players would even get stuck, this including real BD-players. So they may have stopped doing this on later editions.

You may P.M. me for a download link. But anyway not important as it remained exotic.