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magnifico

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2016, 03:35:18 PM »
« Last Edit: May 14, 2016, 03:50:58 PM by magnifico »

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2016, 07:35:56 AM »
I will see what HiMedia say about Dolby Vision tomorrow morning and report back here.

Our description only echoes the info we got from HiMedia.

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2016, 09:04:05 AM »
Now zero mention of Dolby Vision on Q10 Pro product page... hmm. Honestly, I could care less about DV, but we need confirmation from HiMedia. Even HDR seems unsettled. See here.

It is far from trivial as new UHD 4K material will have either HDR or Dolby Vision. At the moment it is all HDR but this may change overnight.
Basic compatibility, being capable to cover the full spectrum and getting official certifications + applying the logo are 3 different things.
Himedia is not going to carry the logo I understood. The first 2 aspects are more important. Look at Sony using its own label instead of which some products do comply and others don't fully (for TV's that is).

Don't confuse what is needed for HDR, Dolby Vision, WCG and Deep Color from a player and from a TV perspective. A player needs to decode and forward it to a TV which can be complicated enough, but a TV must be capable to reproduce the images with these new capabilities and that is something very different and a real challenge today.  Even OLED TV's still have problems covering the full spectrum.

Also not to be confused is the various HDMI standards for amongst others different transfer rates and capabilities exchanges. Most if not all UHD 4K material with any combination of HQ audio/video on BD will be 24P based and won't have  a problem with HDMI 2.0a for sure.  Video streaming services typically have even far lower bitrates. Demo and studio material can be at any rate and with any combination. There are no consumer products with HDMI 2.1 today and won't be needed for the official material to be published for the foreseeable time. Developments will go on for sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

For players backward compatibility is the big real challenge here. Like with HDR a player needs to be capable to strip Dolby Vision, WCG, Deep Color when talking to one of the current 4K TV's. which is most often not compliant with most aspects for sure. But people expect it to give a picture at least.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 10:14:07 AM by Nice Monkey »

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2016, 09:44:43 AM »
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 09:48:10 AM by looun »

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2016, 01:57:49 PM »
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 02:08:44 PM by magnifico »

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2016, 02:02:44 PM »
The wrapper does not really work for NFS ( only works using drop down menu and using DVD-player.) Does not work at all for BD-iso.
Based on wrapper Wrapper-1.0.1_HMD_0505

magnifico

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2016, 02:14:25 PM »
« Last Edit: May 15, 2016, 02:16:06 PM by magnifico »

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2016, 03:34:34 PM »
they have not included this feature on production models...may be

magnifico

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2016, 01:33:14 AM »
stumbled across this link: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77G6P-oled-4k-tv
given right from DOLBY!
So it really looks good for vectorx LG did not smash a logo on their product but being truely certified.

Looking forward to hear from futeko for HiMedias answer.

Alter_Schwede62

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2016, 08:32:50 AM »
A new, very important and disappointing bug.
Very astonishing, that until now nobody recognized this!  :o

I myself did not recognize it, because I only have 2 movies with real 1080p resolution and on my Sony TV I always have motionflow switched on.
So I always thought, that the micro stuttering came from the combination player/tv with motionflow switched on.
In the german forum somebody wrote that generally all 1080p movies with 23.976, no matter from which medium played, have micro stuttering all about 40 seconds.
I could not believe it, but tried it, with switching off my motionflow on my Sony TV.
The guy from the german forum uses original Blu-ray m2ts files and I use with MakeMKV "converted" mkv files.
And the result is, that every 1080p movie with 23.976 really has micro stutters all about 40 seconds!
Unbelievable, and even much more unbelievable is, that tester guys like Looun did not recognize that!  :(

Please, Futeko, forward this really massive problem as fast as you can to Himedia!
Thank you very much.

BTW Test it on your own, but switch off all your TV's picure improovers like Motionflow a.s.o.

Here the Link http://kodi.wiki/view/Samples

Under section 4 download an test the first
1080p @ 23.976 and you will see stuttering all 40-50 seconds

Under section 4 download and test the second
1080p @ 24 and you will see absolutely no stuttering
« Last Edit: May 16, 2016, 09:26:43 AM by Alter_Schwede62 »

Alter_Schwede62

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #100 on: May 16, 2016, 09:50:13 AM »
The most important thing on that, is all this only happens if you have switched on the 24Hz option.
If you switch off the 24Hz Option, everything runs smooth, but in 60 or 50Hz, dependig on what you have set in the system.
I love my 60Hz with absolut smooth motionflow!  ;D

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #101 on: May 16, 2016, 10:16:06 AM »
The most important thing on that, is all this only happens if you have switched on the 24Hz option.
If you switch off the 24Hz Option, everything runs smooth, but in 60 or 50Hz, dependig on what you have set in the system.
I love my 60Hz with absolut smooth motionflow!  ;D

How do you switch off the 24Hz option. What option do you use then?

Alter_Schwede62

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2016, 10:39:54 AM »
You can switch 24Hz on/off in the system, or if you play a movie in Kodi via wrapper to Himediaplayer by pressing the menu button, and then Advanced Options.

I for now use 1080p 60Hz without having the 24Hz option switched On.
Everything runs smooth, even the 23.976.
But it runs in 60Hz, what not everybody likes, because they say it would be the Soap Effect.
For me it's the Real life effect, not a soap effect.

magnifico

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2016, 02:42:40 PM »
« Last Edit: May 16, 2016, 05:45:42 PM by magnifico »

Alter_Schwede62

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Re: Buglist
« Reply #104 on: May 16, 2016, 05:51:03 PM »
Yes, magnifico, mini freeze is the correct word.

 

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