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The Dune HD Real Vision 4K detailed review (Vision family)
« on: June 08, 2021, 09:12:02 AM »
This will finally become a full review for the new "Dune HD Real Vision 4K" player. Dune clearly made a huge marketing mistake not including DV with their earlier RTD1619DD models which they quickly corrected launching the Vision Series players. I don't expect new models to replace these again any soon.
Most of the review in fact applies to the full Dune HD Vision family series including: Real, Pro, Max and Ultra models. Where differences apply this is indicated. Obviously the additional goodies are then not evaluated.

Still missing are evaluations for some Android custom installed App's for Music and Video Streaming but the core is there by now. So you you will need to come back to see it grow.

My personal use of colors:
- Action Points (my to do list together with Dune)
- Positive market differentiators
- Inconveniences open for improvement
- Caveats or serious shortcomings to be fixed
Obviously my marking is somewhat subjective.

Be aware I am a purist and use only 1:1 backup copies for movie playback being DVD, BD, BD-3D or UHD/HDR BD in ISO's or folders. Music files are SACD ISO, DVD-Audio ISO, DTS-CD and FLAC/MP3 only. Don't ask me questions about other formats/containers.

I am using a Philips 55OLED805 TV plus an Onkyo RZ720 AMP during my review and an OPPO UHD-203 as reference for Video / Music playback functionality and quality.

At the moment I am still in close dialog with Dune for several findings with good and quick responses. For some Dune already provided fixes/changes. The review was updated to:
dune_firmware_tv175u_210804_0531_r18.dff
Where applicable fixes are mentioned.
I have now 2 problem cases open both just to be solved (none urgent). This as a fact   is very few for a new model series. I think both apply to all Vision models and very likely also to the older RTD1619DD models too.
 
Intro:

The player seems to be a replacement for both the Dune HD Realbox 4K and the Dune HD Pro 4K II player clearly meant to be competitive on price with the Zidoo Z9X. I must say that target seems to be hit. It is close enough on price with the Realbox 4K but almost a RTD1619DR + BT5 upgraded Pro 4K II on specifications. Even the physical size measuring 160x115x26mm is midway achieved by stripping all non-essential ports.

What makes the Dune Vision series unique is the OS. Dune is using since many years their own Linux based Dune OS. Next to that they integrate the Google Android TV 9 OS as found on many Smart TV's today. This way additional APP's can be installed using either OS. Dune claims to be able to totally control the resource utilization of Android TV avoiding potential negative impact on Dune OS integrated media players.
For Dune OS this is limited and above all supported by a Russian community. For the strickt Google controlled Android TV this is different as it offers the same as found on Powered by Android Smart TV's. Multiple TV manufacturers similar to Panasonic, Philips and Sony ditched their own OS versions in favor of Android TV. This makes it only more attractive regarding APP variety, updates, stability and quality.

Chapter-1: The HW of Real Vision

The specifications and some pictures can be found at Dune directly:
https://www.dune-hd.com/products/dune-hd-real-vision-4k
The Dune site also includes a nice comparison table of FW features and HW provisions for the 4 Vision models.
For a lot more pictures and peeps at the menu's see this French review which reads nicely with Google Translate:
https://cod-box.net/dune-hd-real-vision-4k-test/
My review is very much complimentary being mine a lot more technical and detailed but far less fancy.

The first thing worth to mention is that all Dune Vision players seem to be using the same FW. I am not speaking functionally here but sharing the exact same FW code. That makes Dune support a lot easier but also makes this review apply for most part to the bigger models too. See the Dune site for all details but in a nutshell here are the characteristics for the Real Vision:

Unboxing
The player actually comes in a very good looking box and is very well packed.
It contains: The player, the brick type PSU including 4 plug adapters for global deployment, 2 external antennas, HDMI cable, BT remote and even an IR extender plus a 3.5mm A/V cable with 3x RCA plugs. This is very convenient and complete above all for an entry level model.
There is only a leaflet included but on the Dune site an online manual can be found. 

The Unit itself
It comes with 2 GByte RAM and 16 GByte Flash memory residing on a dedicated motherboard for this model. I expect this to do just fine. For Android applications the Internal storage can be expanded by inserting an SD-Card into the slot (low Read/Write speed). Within Android setup => Storage the SD- card can be found and be formatted for Internal Storage or Portable Storage. Internal Storage formatting works and some Android Data can be moved to it. That process can conveniently be undone too.
If you do so the storage will still be seen by the Dune OS as portable and offers to format it which obviously never should be done. The card may neither be removed as it will make Android unstable for sure. Dune promised to solve this in a coming FW update.

Dune next decided to bundle the Real Vision with a brand new little BT Remote Control. In practice this small remote works very well with the advantage of BT, but is missing some direct action buttons. If you also use the excellent Dune Control app then this is less of an inconvenience. Buttons for TV Power, V+, V- and Mute may be programmed to IR which is very pleasant (see the leaflet included for instructions).
When doing a factory Reset the default pairing is lost and must be done when initializing the player again (V+ & Enter kept pressed for 3 seconds). A warning about that Factory Reset as it will reduce the Audio Output level again to the reduced factory default. Dune promised to change that too.

This brings me to the antenna's. The Real Vision is a nice small box but got the same huge antenna's from the other big(ger) models. Not really nice for some of us. What is the problem as these are made removable even for the entry model? Dune decided to combine BT and WiFi antenna's for the Real Vision model to reduce some costs but bundling a BT remote these antennas can't be removed in practice as a consequence. You might get a an IR remote for it to remove those as it still comes bundled with an IR extender. For me a bit strange overall move.

Regarding ports there is only one HDMI-Output, no HDMI-Input, no SATA connector, no USB2 and no USB3c (just 2x USB3). For me personally the absence of a SATA connector is the most relevant. I you need any of these extra ports get the Pro Vision instead. That model also has a  bigger front display of 6 position HH:MM:SS instead of just the 4 position HH:MM of Real Vision and a HDD bay. Frankly the display of Real Vision is just too small for me as I can't read it from a typical viewing distance.
The Max Vision and Ultra Vision expand further with dual HDD bays and a graphical front display plus an Analog Stereo DAC with XLR outputs. The Ultra with top of the line DAC and PSU components, additional DAC inputs and a lot bigger front display.
Functionality on all Vision players remains the same regarding software features. 

Power provision
In contrary to the old Realbox this unit comes with an adequate 12V 2A PSU and supplying power to the 2x USB3.1 ports (800mA) should not cause any problems.

Power consumption measurements:
Idle:           1.5 W
Play:           2.8 W
Sleep:         1.2 W
Standby:   <0.1 W
It has no fan and only some vent openings at the bottom which is very adequate.

Never seen such low values before. If you are a really green person this is the box to get.
It takes about 50 seconds to boot which is somewhat longer than usual but it clearly does HDD start-up in parallel. If you like the clock during sleep it is probably more convenient just to leave the player always on for better display visibility.

The box will always boot up when powered on, has no battery backup cell for the clock and does not support WOL (Wake On LAN). By default power off will result in a sleep mode but this can be changed to a real standby mode by a power setup APP setting.

Chapter-2: Menu's, Setup and Bundled App's

Menu's
Getting familiar with the Dune menu structure takes some getting used to despite being intuitive enough. There are more Icon's than on most players and not all really useful for all. Fortunately many items can be expanded or suppressed. The level of optional customization inclusive using custom skins and custom language packs is fairly high. One needs to consult the Dune online manual for using these.
https://dune-hd.com/eng/support/online_manual/getting_started
It is good to see such a manual with essential information for the various players.

Setup
The Dune setup uses the same icon structure as the main view. Going over settings is easy enough. Strange is that for a player running its own Dune OS that it has multiple essential settings (hidden) within Android setup. Good examples are HDMI-CEC, BT pairing, HDMI Range and drive "Eject". Various Android settings for Audio and Video are under investigation on its functionality and usefulness.

Bundled APP's
Standard facilities and players for Pictures, Music and Movies are to be found on the main page. Bundled APP's can be found under Android Applications respectively Dune HD Applications.
The Dune HD APP "DUNE-HD.TV" requires an account and was removed by me. Radio Time is very nice on the other hand.

It is possible to get a lot more Dune HD APPs using patch "dune_service_install_dunestor_extension_v3.1" but those come from Russian users. The courageous can give it a try. A lot is actually also in English and usable. It is a lot for sure but potentially some may be highly illegal too? No guarantees or support by Dune here.

Under Android Applications come several more popular app's. One needs to be aware that these need to be installed first. It includes amongst others the famous Android TV Launcher, Google Play Store, Netflix, Youtube, HibyMusic and SBMC. App's can be added using Aptoide or the Google Play Store. In that sense it is even more flexible than Android TV coming with Smart TV's. I expect the Android TV compatibility to be excellent.

NAS Support & SMB Server
Standard provisions for NAS access via NFS, SMB and UPnP/DLNA are included. The player can also act as a SMB Server which APP is to be found under Dune APP's. Unfortunately this APP does not allow full device access for all HDD's via a single share "\share" or "\public" is commonly used for that. Instead a HDD must be found with its HW ID as an unique share name which makes HDD dynamic swapping impossible. Just use Internet Explorer with the matching IP-Address e.g. \\192.168.2.1\ to find those share names.
Using W10 SMB Client I needed to use the Server Name in front to connect as using the IP-Address did not work there for me. Strange!
Neither setting an UID/PWD or Read/Write for access is possible. Positive to mention is that it puts the Volume Label in front of the HW ID for ease of  identification and that the Read/Write performance is good.

File Browser:
The File Browser is called "Sources" here. The APP works fine with all common file handling features available via pressing Menu and including several options for changing the actual view.
Missed just 2 features being tagging of "Watched" files and an "Eject" facility to swap files. That Eject actually exists but is deeply buried under Android Setup. Dune promised to add it in a future FW the same applies to including a "Watched" feature.
I am also missing the option which I always use myself which is "parking HDD's" when not active for a set time interval. That reduces power/heat and next above all the noise produced by them. 

Chapter-3: Movie/Video playback

Videos can be started using the File Browser directly or using a Poster Wall.

The Video Player
Warning: Video setup parameters are used a bit different on this player than on most other players I used.
It starts with the Video Mode which is here not the "default video mode" but "maximum video mode" which is to be taken literally. It should be left on Auto (EDID) in almost all cases avoiding limiting TV capabilities. An exception may be using a HDMI 1.4 restricted AMP in between. As a consequence all menus and music playback will happen with the highest definition supported which may have you straight away running into HDMI cable limits.
Warning: The Dune showed to be extremely critical on cables. Swapped myself to the cable it came with in the box. In combination with UHD HDR video plus HD sound it may disappear and sound with side effects or drops. The sound will suffer first not the video strange enough. My Zidoo players all work under those same conditions with my old cable.

Enabling Auto Frame-rate and Auto Resolution will downscale actual movie playback output to the format of the source. Also set Preferred HDMI color depth then to: As in content. The TV will next do all the resolution upscaling which it mostly does excellent. If you want the player to do the upscaling then disable Auto Resolution.
It is the first implementation I have come across which works as designed with no flickering or other visible adoptions as claimed by Dune The time to get a first display after hitting play with BD-lite varies with the complexity of the source. UHD with DV and Atmost taking the most and a regular BD being very fast.

The picture quality for SD, HD and UHD is on par with other players I own including my OPPO UHD-203 which is my reference for this. Handling UHD/HDR movies with HDR10, HDR10+ and DV neither resulted in observations other than that these are reproduced as they should be. I am not the guy which compares paused pictures, uses test discs or other fancy analysis. So very minor differences and glitches may escape me. For daily viewing I found no problems with any standard video or audio format used by me. I am happy with the PQ, formats supported and far from trivial playback stability.
I am just missing an HDR mode option to toggle DV and HDR10/HDR10+ output for TV's supporting both (setup option coming according Dune).

The player seems to have no problems with my movie collection playing all formats inclusive the DVD/BD menu's. Different sound formats including DD Atmos and DTS-X work just fine via my AMP and the BD Full Menu support seems to be better than found on most media players as claimed by Dune. I did not run into any Menu problematic BD discs yet this including UHD and 3D discs.

When playing BD's with menus (Full Menu) the player in fact acts as an equivalent disc player with all interaction going via the BD menu or dedicated remote control buttons. There are then no additional features or options for playback not foreseen by the actual disc being played. This includes external subtitles which are then not supported in any form. You may like it or miss features playing that way but it is not a bad concept keeping it pure. It is the real "just pop-in a disc feeling" that you get playing this way. Coming from a disc player you will feel familiar straight away.
When playing Full Menu BD then the colored buttons on the BT remote get assigned and e.g. Subtitle and Audio can be selected directly that way. Just press Info for instructions which key does what This for BD's which enable the pop-up menu. If they don't you can press Info which will enable the keys while info is displayed temporarily.

Playing BD's without menus (Lite Menu) with either ISO or BDMV Folder offers several more features and configurable options. This is much closer to the experience playing on other brand media players. There is also a real time subtitle download option for the default system language set. The essential subtitle options are there too: Time-shift, vertical shift, color and size.
Correctly named subtitle srt files can be put into the BDMV folder as common practice for other brands and will show the matching language when tagged/named properly. Manually pointing to a file via the filebrowser to an arbitrary file and location is not supported.
What is more a missing feature is on-demand downloading of multiple selected languages. Now the download command will download subtitles for the system set  language only. If this is not English then also English will be downloaded automatically. Used downloads should be put automatically in the folder of the matching movie for future automatic reuse.

DVD's are always played with DVD Menus and fortunately include external subtitle support with that. The DVD menu processing seems to work well, but frankly hardly used it thus far.
   
For sure it does not include many blows and whistles as included by some other brands. I would conclude saying about it "the essential set of features is available".

The Poster Wall
The Poster Wall is called "My Collection" here. Folders can be added to it and will be next scraped.
A lot of work is currently being done on a new GUI and the My Collections application. An alpha release is available for it. Just had a breef peak at it but it is already looking good with essential features being there and as far as I tried also running stable. The scraping also went fast as before.
Will update this paragraph with progress made and with my own experiences using it. Tried scraping in English and Spanish both giving results in matching languages.

Trial run using a 8 TByte HDD with in total 165 1:1 copies BD's on it:
- Completed in 2 minutes and 1 seconds (which is very fast)
- Found according the log 147 movies (152 files)
- 85 confirmed associations and 67 not confirmed associations
The overal scraping result was not too bad and most could be associated correctly manually.

I hoped the App would use the SD-Card added Internal Storage but did not find it. That is a real missed opportunity. This APP and SPMC/KODI are potentially the biggest benefiters of added Internal Storage. Did not try anything external like Emby, Roon or Yadis myself.
   
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2021, 09:12:41 AM »
Chapter-4: Steaming Video services

Regarding streaming services: YES for full support get an NVidia Shield or Apple-TV (or a TV Powered by Android). In fact Dune with Android TV9 on it can run the APP's and Streaming Services perfect in a technical sense. Companies like Dune lack the big multinational status plus their relations and many video streaming providers limit Audio-features/Picture-Quality for them on purpose (a kind of unspoken boycot).

So they all run but the biggies like Netflix, Disney+ and BBCplayer will lack some of the high end goodies. This actually may vary over time with each of them. Having a Powered by Android TV myself no problem for me as I can use my TV directly as an alternative to bypass this faul play.

Using streaming services on a Smart Phone and next casting the display to the TV is to be considered but may also run into on purpose enforced audio/video restrictions.

For now only use "Canal Digitaal" which is a supplementary streaming service for Dutch TV bundled with my satellite service. Using a pointer mouse it functionally and quality wise works all as it should. Handling is much nicer using my Smart Phone though.

Chapter-5: Music playback
My educated guess is that about 5% to 10% of the media player owners are using their player also for music playback. I expect this percentage to be growing now that both the software and hardware capabilities have improved a lot. My own view is that the price/performance ratio of the Vision series is actually excellent as a (HiFi) music player.

Warning: Keep in mind that the Real Vision front display is just 4 positions and that it will show HH:MM also during individual playback of music tracks. This is not a fault but done by design despite resulting pretty useless with this specific model as a result. Remember the same FW is used for all Vision models! It got me confused for quite a while.
Seen the reactions I got from Dune this might change with a future FW update?

The standard Music Player has a real lean and mean design and will show only the essential Album, Artist and Title information with the Cover. There is not even a progress bar or any control buttons shown. The Dune Control App will show these conveniently though. The only way to get a title/track progress indication is using the info button which then will also show any other tagged information.
This is not necessarily a bad thing as it reserves resources to the maximum for the most important aspect of a music player which is perfect audio reproduction. This player does an excellent job here for all formats tried including High Definition Audio. No hiccups, distortions, crashes or other unexpected things of any kind during playback making the core player functionality outstanding.

Another smart move made by Dune was to integrate the music player with screensaver functionality. When kicking-in the display is reduced to a small window which next floats around. Using Dune Control with the TV kept off works excellent and is my preferred way of listening.
 
All audio formats claimed including SACD playback via DSD => PCM for MCH at 178.4 kHz played flawless. In fact not only DSD64 but also DSD128 and DSD256 were all converged to PCM 178.4 output via HDMI. Extracted SACD formats DSF, DFF worked even when compressed with wavepack (WV extensions). Also all my DTS-CD played as they should identical to my OPPO and unlike some other media players I own.

No format support wishes left then? Only 3 on my list being:
- DSD output in Native/DoP format via HDMI
- DVD-Audio support for lossless MLP audio playback
- Less relevant an option to quickly toggle MCH and 2CH modes (audio button) now only via setup.
Frankly must add that I don't know of any Android based media player supporting those but my OPPO supports them all nicely. Still can't retire that one as I would like to do.

On the feature side I have only 1 big one and that is gapless playback. Maybe not essential for an entry model like Real Vision but for Max Vision and worse Ultra Vision this is a huge omission. I understand the HiFi models include a gapless playback additional driver specifically for DAC analog output? 
Restricting the gapless playback feature to real albums with an 100% matching codec format used for all titles within the album is my reference. There is really no need for any type of recoding or frame-rate/sample-size matching for gapless playback. Personally I like the feature to be optional with the possibility to turn it on/off.

For a fancier interface and more features the HibyMusic App is bundled. This is a special version modified to work with a standard remote under Android TV. It also is one of the few music app's supporting output via an USB DAC. More about it in the next chapter.

Chapter-6: Custom installed Music APP's

This chapter is 100% applicable to the total Vision series of players.
Obviously started with bundled HibyMusic first.

HiByMusic (Dune Android TV version)
To be found under Android applications. Select it to install it for free next. This version is specially adopted to work well under Android TV and can't be found on the Googel Play Store or on HiByMusic's own pages. Can also be controlled using the BT pointer mouse.
For me it is still does not offer a user friendly interface[/color], but it all can be done. There is no support via Dune Control for this app which would have been great.

A stupid left over from the smart-phone background is the option to enable artwork and lyrics lookup. This can be selected only to work via WiFi as the app confuses a wired-network with a mobile network. As my setup doen't use WiFi these features remain unavailable.
 
It has extensive playback capabilities including all common HD PCM formats and all SACD DSD formats even including DST compressed DFF and ISO. It handles CUE Sheets, DTS-CD's (Stereo output only) and will play Gapless when selected.
The library capabilities with scraping the content is available and works for those liking it. My collection is simply too big and too diverse in content and structure to work well with it.

Thus far only used for testing.

About to also test a few Android music players as alternatives for the integrated players.
With an interim FW update got Google Services working stable.  Running straight into a few (nasty) problems:
- Several applications partially (some panels) or fully show up in portrait mode. Not very convenient to turn my 55 inch TV 90 degrees for using these.
- The cursor buttons controlled standard mouse feature does not work for several APP's even when adopted for Android TV. A RF or BT pointer mouse is really needed here (tried both). This above all to perform scrolling. The BT mouse is the original Dune mouse included with the other Dune Vision series models.
- I have no idea where Dune stores the "Google GSF ID" needed for device registration but it seems to be registered by factory. Doing the Google registration it did not come with the message that it was not registered.
Back to a Dune consult again.

USB Audio Player Pro FW 5.9.8
It will also work without an USB DAC being attached but it was designed specifically for that deployment.
- Paid the license (about € 7,-) via the Google Play Store and it got activated automatically.
- Support for almost all Stereo HD Audio sources including DSD/SACD formats makes this APP also special. Currently still missing support for DST compressed DFF files.
- It does not play DTS-CD's but supports CUE sheets for other formats!
- For some operations a mouse is required (the standard button controlled mouse works but a pointer mouse is far better) .
- All sources are played truly gapless which is essential for live recordings!

It has an active forum and ongoing software development.
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/products/usb-audio-player-pro

ONKYO HF Player (FW 2.7.0)
This is a real alternative player to be used with external USB DAC's. Worked straight with my setup too. For HQ playback the license is € 9,50 for SQ playback it is free (with minimal advertisements).
Also this APP is really designed for Smart-Phones and needs also to be controlled using a pointer-mouse, which next works just fine. Differences are:
- There is also the free version reducing playback to SR but still handling all albums including SACD DSF and DFF.
- Very smooth on the controls and actions. Playback is gapless.
- No support for SACD ISO directly just DSF and DFF (not being DST compressed).
- Can toggle USB DAC or HDMI outputs via setup which is nice.
- Can real-time convert PCM to DSD which I have never seen elsewhere!
There is still some marginal development for this player but no forum.

Others
Neutron Music Player seems to be another good player with the required HiFi features but was never tried by me.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2021, 09:12:57 AM »
Chapter-7: Photo Viewer
It is good to see the online manual for the assignment of keys and options. It is easy to miss a few.
Standard features to be expected are all present. Setup for transitions and delay are to be found under Setup => Applications => Picture Show which may be not that convenient for all. The defaults are fine for me.

Seen the fact that the player defaults for the highest resolution there is no need to change this for Photo viewing.
Not obvious is the fact that the Music player can be put into the background pressing Home on the remote. You can next fire up the Picture player for a slideshow with your favorite music playing.
Info will show picture characteristics but no camera meta data. That is a pity.


Chapter-8: Dune HD Support
Writing reviews one gets above average attention for sure, but I can honestly conclude that Dune Support is responsive. As far as the HW allows problems seem to get fixed but some may take their  time. Seen the complex nature of media players problems found are relative few.
Dune HD does not have it's own forum but there are various general forum places where sections are dedicated to their products.

A rather unique approach is using the included Dune Support APP. You may be asked to run that APP and make a dump just after your problem occurring. This will be uploaded automatically to Dune and a Dump-ID will be assigned. You need to communicate that one to tie it to your case.
The dump is actually a total live memory dump of your player giving very detailed information to the support engineers. For the security aware there is an implicit risk here as the memory may hold some privacy sensitive information too. If you want to eliminate this potential exposure then you need to do a factory reset prior to reproducing the problem and making the dump.

In contrary to with Zidoo installing Alpha/Beta versions is pretty safe and easy with Dune. If you don't like them then just reinstall any previous version! They are typically also very stable with hardly any faults for things that worked correctly before.
You might want to consider even installing Alpha releases as the frequency of Beta releases is really low compared with e.g. Zidoo.

Conclusions and my personal verdict
This is based on fact and findings for this player but next based on a long history and experience with a slew of media players.

The functionality and OS claims
This player is different in many aspects from many players used by me. The final conclusion from me in one sentence is: "It is a mean and lean machine with still all essential features being included for Video, Music and Picture playback".
This is valid for all media players/app's included. Combined with the OS choices made this results in a remarkable easy to operate, stable and predictable player with hardly any quirks and very few pending bugs.
With bundled original full Android TV 9 including the launcher/GUI it has full "Powered by Android Smart-TV" potential capabilities. In practice this is seriously flawed by big streaming providers which may not be willing to certify the HW despite being 100% compatible like Netflix.

No it is definitely not the most feature rich player in any area but it may be the most stable one for exactly that same reason! If you value certain specific capabilities then have a thorough check for those to avoid any disappointments. This review combined with the online manual should offer a good start. If not mentioned by either one it most likely isn't there.

The hardware and price
The Real Vision is excellent value for money without any doubt above all looking at its functionality. The size makes it a nice portable player but keep in mind it was stripped to the bare minimum.
The Dune media player has a SD-Card slot and the 2nd OS supported being Android TV does allow to configure it as Internal Storage for that OS. In effect found myself no practical use for it.
Despite being double the price I would always consider getting the Pro Vision instead as HW provision wise it has it all.

Personal verdict
There is a lot of green, some orange and hardly any red which speaks for itself. Bottom-line I really like this player! Dune Vision could even become my favorite player for mainly music with some improvements above all on Music gapless playback.
Would love to sound check the Ultra Vision with HiFi Music as the essential rock solid basis seems to be there.
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Re: "Dune HD Real Vision 4K" review (most for total Vision family)
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2021, 09:13:24 AM »
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Re: The "Dune HD Real Vision 4K" review (Vision family)
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2021, 08:45:38 PM »

We will follow this with interest
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2021, 09:38:00 AM »
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Re: The Dune HD Real Vision 4K functional review (Vision family)
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2021, 09:18:09 AM »
The integrated players review part is complete now and highlights are marked accordingly.
Comments and corrections are highly welcome.

Coming is using custom installed Music Players and Streaming Services.
Experiences with Streaming Video/Music services are very welcome. Just share them as comments or via PM.

Possibly pictures will be added too. Just share with me which (of what) you would like to see?
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2021, 11:48:27 AM »

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Playing without menus (Lite Menu) offers several more features including external subtitles with also a realtime download option for the default language.
Bad enough and qualified as a real shortcoming by me is the fact that external subtitles are not found when playing BD Folders and that neither pointing via the filebrowser to a custom subtitle file with any name is supported.
For sure it does not include many blows and whistles as included by some other brands. I would conclude saying about it "the essential set of features is available" with exception of mentioned external subtitle handling.
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I agree 100% here...
Dune MUST take care of this!

Good job NiceMonkey and tnx for the great review.

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2021, 03:01:12 PM »
Excellent detailed review. Thanks for posting it here.

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2021, 12:19:30 PM »
This is a great read.  Thank you so much for your time and effort in providing a detailed review.
I do like the idea of twin HDMI outputs so my AVRKey can be retired!

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2021, 02:12:56 PM »
I do like the idea of twin HDMI outputs so my AVRKey can be retired!
From Pro Vision model upwards only. Not the Real Vision being reviewed here.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2021, 11:53:05 AM »

Thank you for this Excellent detailed review.

I'm glad you did this review,

I see nothing to modify everything is detailed and gives an excellent idea of ​​the capacity of the box

It is a good idea to have removed the ''hdmi in'' completely useless in my opinion

For my part it is the video part that interests me including that of the bdmenu support with some movies (BDmenu Avatar) that interests me and it seems that everything is working correctly ?

you say that you will use it for the audio side, for the video part you prefer the other (competitor) ? or are they similar?

if I understood correctly (I am not good with English) it is a basic device which does its job very well associated with an excellent selling price.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2021, 12:18:38 PM »
For my part it is the video part that interests me including that of the bdmenu support with some movies (BDmenu Avatar) that interests me and it seems that everything is working correctly ?
Thus far they all worked for me including my reference Avatar BD

you say that you will use it for the audio side, for the video part you prefer the other (competitor) ? or are they similar?
Except subtitles they are similar for the essential features and PQ.
For Audio it is a real barebone player but without any quirks (haha after they solve my issues reported).

if I understood correctly (I am not good with English) it is a basic device which does its job very well associated with an excellent selling price.
Price/performance is on par with that other brand which is excellent too.
Specifically both have very sharp priced entry models.


The player is really different which should appeal to those appreciating its specific goodies.
As Futeko stated before there should be a market for each. I can only agree with Simon here.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2021, 03:16:07 PM »

thank you for your feedback

On the other hand my opinion differs with yours and Simon's for what are 2 different markets

I will follow your thread, this box is very interesting, just wait to see if Dune HD updates ''Mycollection''.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2021, 08:27:41 AM »
Got Dune subtitles sorted out. Even Dune Support put me on the wrong leg first. No need for index.srt at all after all.
The Vision in fact supports standard named subtitles in multiple languages the same way with ISO and BDMV Folders. The problem they must be in the same parent folder as the main movie BDMV folder resides. Works next identical for movies in ISO format or in BDMV folders which is excellent news.

Index.srt was an old Dune single subtitle implementation and won't come back.
It is replaced by the universal multiple subtitle support with ISO 2-pos and ISO 3-pos naming convention for language tagging. See example below with 1 subtile without a tag and 2 other subtitles with English and Spanish tags.

Example for Mymovies mainfolder with multiple movie BDMV folders starting with movie-1:
Mymovies/
Mymovies/movie-1
Mymovies/movie-1/BDMV
Mymovies/movie-1/CERTIFICATE
Mymovies/movie-1.srt
Mymovies/movie-1.EN.srt
Mymovies/movie-1.ES.srt


Adding them 1 level down to the movie-1 folder itself:
Mymovies/
Mymovies/movie-1
Mymovies/movie-1/BDMV
Mymovies/movie-1/CERTIFICATE
Mymovies/movie-1/movie-1.EN.srt
Does not work. This is what all other players use.

Dune confirmed they will support BDMV folders with subtitles within the folder with the coming  FW update.
Excellent news.
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