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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: Markus on November 23, 2017, 05:17:09 PM

Title: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Markus on November 23, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
Hello,

I recently updated my Q10 PRO to version HMD-2.0.6 2017-10-25.

After that I started to have problem with aspect ratio!

If I set to "original ratio" from Play mode menu > Screen size, all videos seem to have a good ratio and resize except the DVD in ISO format!

When I play an iso DVD, the screen don't resize good and play like an old 4:3 ratio!

With my previous firmware (HMD-1.0.6 2016-07-07.151525) I have not this kind of problems...

Anyone can help me to solve?

Many thanks
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on November 24, 2017, 04:50:34 AM
DVDs are usually SD and originally in 4:3 aspect ratio. You can check  it on your PC with MPCHC->File->Properties.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Markus on December 07, 2017, 03:34:51 PM
Only this...?

Whit my previsious firmware I hav not yhis kind of problems!  :( :( :(
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: GMPeet on December 09, 2017, 07:04:36 PM
Same problem. 16:9 video's are not displayed in 16:9 aspect ratio when original aspect ratio is selected. This used to work correct.
It appears that the aspect ratio is now determent by the Width =720 and Height = 576 vertical pixels  instead of the aspect ratio (16:9) that is also mentioned in the mkv. But a pixel is not square in PAL wide screen. The aspect ratio information should be used.

For now I use full screen to get 16:9 displayed correctly. But it means that I have to switch when I want to watch a 4:3 aspect ratio correctly.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on December 12, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
Hi ,

i just got the Himedia Player and while it plays many Formats accurate
it has a big Issue in playing 720x576 16:9 TV Captured and encoded to H264 Content.
720x576 16:9 ( SD ) is Standard here in Germany beside 720p and 1080p.

 

Issue Description:

720x576 16:9 Content Videos Aspect Ratio is wrong displayed when played in Media Center ( Looks like 4:3 Squeezed )

(http://thumbs2.imagebam.com/10/d2/41/847920686113653.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/847920686113653)

(http://thumbs2.imagebam.com/e2/a1/72/e4757a686113643.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/e4757a686113643)


Surprising:

If you press Chapter Forward Keys on Remote and it skips to next Video,
then the Aspect is detected absolutely ok.
Also works same if you have a 720x576 16:9 H264 MKV with Chapter Marks,
then once you click next Chapter, the Aspect Ratio is correct 16:9 displayed then from scratch.   
 
With MP4 it is correct once the next Vid plays.

This stays till you End Playback and leave Playback.

So the Player actually detects the correct 720x576 16:9 Aspect Ratio,
but only when using Chapter Keys and not within the normal Mediaplayer playback.

Videos Specs


Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=25
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 41s 680ms
Bit rate                                 : 3 109 Kbps
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.300
Stream size                              : 15.4 MiB (87%)


Tested with: Network Access

Settings:

Firmware: 2.06 25.10.2017 

Display: 1080p 50HZ
TV Format: 16:9 (and Auto tested )
Keep Aspect: Keep Ratio 
1080P 24 HZ ON
 
24p ON

TV is set to AUTO Aspect ( LG LED ) , also tested all Variations including 16:9

My last Mediaplyers Xtreamer Sidewinder 2 and 1 detect this Videos Aspect flawless.
Also my 2nd Sony LED TV Mediaplayer  detects all the Videos accurate.

Sample Videos:
 
I attach you short Samples of some MP4 clips. ( 70,2 MB Zip)

http://dropmefiles.com/buwtM



Edit: 13.12.2017

I noticed now after reading a similar Issue Report
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.0


that in FW

2.0.4 FUTEKO. HMD-2.0.4 2017-07-07.110752/142542 http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2097.0
it is working accurate and no longer in the next FW including current October Release.

So it seems to be a similar Case affecting  DVD and File Playback in 720x576 since the last two Updates

Greetings

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Edit: 01.01.2018 > Sample Zip Download renewed
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Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on December 16, 2017, 07:45:37 AM
I can play SD 720x400 / x.264 / .mkv / 16:9 video with correct aspect ratio on OFW 2.0.6 with Himedia Player.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on December 16, 2017, 11:22:17 AM
Thx for your reply but this thread is about

720x576 16:9 MP4 & MKV

I can also play 720x400 in 16:9

but not 720x576

Please download the attached Samples and test them :)
http://dropmefiles.com/buwtM

Display: 1080p 50HZ
TV Format: 16:9 (and Auto tested )
Keep Aspect: Keep Ratio
1080P 24 HZ ON


I am not willing to choose "Strech toFullscreen " alltime now.
This would be a mess i would not accept that from any Media player as a customer to have to switch alltime from Keep aspect to strech. 

The Feature was working flawless in 2.04  but no longer in 2.05 and 2.06.
And i want to enjoy the player with current Uodates including working 720x576 16:9 Flag Detection.
Its not a niche . Its German Standard TV Format.

I paid 160 EURO for that player which has now such buggy Firmware.

   
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Edit: 01.01.2018 > Sample Zip Download renewed
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Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on December 16, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
Same issue here on my Q5Pro since

2.0.5 FUTEKO. HMD-2.0.5 2017-09-13.203944

with ISO PAL 720x576 DVD in 16:9.

Its same wrong Aspect displayed with 720x576 16:9 MP4 and MKV.
All Videos have a 16:9 Flag but this is no longer detected.

Thx for Info that  its is working in previous Firmware.

Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on December 16, 2017, 01:31:36 PM
Yep, I was confused it previously.  Tested and it plays 720x576 16:9 DVDs and also SD .mkv videos at a wrong 4:3 ratio.

Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: futeko.com on December 18, 2017, 02:22:06 PM
The problem has been reported to HiMedia.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: crazyahmed on January 01, 2018, 10:37:03 AM
Hi there!

Any news on the subject? It is a big problem for me to, cause I got many TV-Series on DVD-Files which are 720 x 576 or when NTSC 720 x 480. I don't want to go back to an older firmware version, who knows what happens then...

Please leave a short feedback for us to know if we can expect a fix in the near future.

Many greetinx
Murat
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 13, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
Also I have encountered this problem with the new firmware (2.0.6), and since I have many movies (720x576) 16: 9, this fact creates problems.
I ask if it pays, pending resolution of the problem, to downgrade to version (2.0.5) or even this presents the same problems?

Thank you
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on January 13, 2018, 07:10:09 PM
You can downgrad to 2.04 .
In 2.05 it was already no longer working.

Why does it takes so long for their developers to rollout a fix ?
Unbelievable... this is really low level Support.
I will mention this in my Amazon Review and warn German people buying this Player currently. 
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 13, 2018, 11:27:19 PM
I downgraded to firmware 1.1
At least I can see my precious personal films in pal format in 16: 9.
For me this is a very serious bug for a player
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: pcristi on January 13, 2018, 11:57:06 PM
Will be much convenience for user witch need proper aspect ratio for 720x576 16:9 to install just old player from FW v2.0.4 on FW v2.0.5/2.0.6.
Is lost BD/UHD menu but will keep possibility to play main movie on UHD disc.
Just follow instruction to restore "new HiMediaVideoPlayer" from my old post with restore method(paper clip).

Don't forgot to backup all sensitive data before use  restore method(paper clip).

New HiMediaVideoPlayer is like that in both official and CFW 2.0.4.
For restore old HiMediaVideoPlayer download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nfx0n7ms0xmaakq/restore%28old_player%29_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411%28AirMouse_inputs_support%29.zip) rename to update.zip and apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade. In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer again use this update.zip with restore method.

Look like new recovery from FW 2.0.4 don't accepted from first try, sometime need to try 2 times consecutive.
So download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip, rename to update.zip copy to USB stick.
Apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade/USB_x to get old player HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411 from CFW 2.0.3.
In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer(VideoPlayer VideoPlay) again use this update.zip with restore method(paper clip).
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 14, 2018, 12:03:04 AM
Will be much convenience for user witch need proper aspect ratio for 720x576 16:9 to install just old player from FW v2.0.4 on FW v2.0.5/2.0.6.
Is lost BD/UHD menu but will keep possibility to play main movie on UHD disc.
Just follow instruction to restore "new HiMediaVideoPlayer" from my old post with restore method(paper clip).

Don't forgot to backup all sensitive data before use  restore method(paper clip).

New HiMediaVideoPlayer is like that in both official and CFW 2.0.4.
For restore old HiMediaVideoPlayer download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nfx0n7ms0xmaakq/restore%28old_player%29_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411%28AirMouse_inputs_support%29.zip) rename to update.zip and apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade. In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer again use this update.zip with restore method.

Look like new recovery from FW 2.0.4 don't accepted from first try, sometime need to try 2 times consecutive.
So download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip, rename to update.zip copy to USB stick.
Apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade/USB_x to get old player HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411 from CFW 2.0.3.
In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer(VideoPlayer VideoPlay) again use this update.zip with restore method(paper clip).



Thank you for the precious information, but I can not download the file

(https://s20.postimg.org/ex0dlwbwt/Ridimensiona_di_Screenshot_001.png)
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: pcristi on January 14, 2018, 12:08:47 AM
@DMD
Fixed.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 14, 2018, 12:15:35 AM
@DMD
Fixed.
Thank you.
now I can go back to the FWC 2.0.6 again, using the back button procedure.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 14, 2018, 05:50:33 AM
But what happens if you simply select the "Full screen" setting, doesn't it display than with the original ratio?
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 14, 2018, 07:51:02 AM
But what happens if you simply select the "Full screen" setting, doesn't it display than with the original ratio?
The "Full screen" function as in all the players, adapts the formats with aspect ratio from 1:33 to 2.35: 1 to the 16: 9 screen (1:78) of the display.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 14, 2018, 10:34:47 AM
But what happens if you simply select the "Full screen" setting, doesn't it display than with the original ratio?
The "Full screen" function as in all the players, adapts the formats with aspect ratio from 1:33 to 2.35: 1 to the 16: 9 screen (1:78) of the display.

Bu as it' also 16:9 the aspect ratio of the video should be correct than, or not? That's what I'm asking.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 15, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
Bu as it' also 16:9 the aspect ratio of the video should be correct than, or not? That's what I'm asking.
Using the "Full screen" command, it creates a problem for 4: 3 movies, which is adapted to the display (16: 9) with a sudden distortion of image.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 15, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
Bu as it' also 16:9 the aspect ratio of the video should be correct than, or not? That's what I'm asking.
Using the "Full screen" command, it creates a problem for 4: 3 movies, which is adapted to the display (16: 9) with a sudden distortion of image.

I know, but only the case if the video is 4:3, but this thread is specially about 720x576 non-square pixel, therefore 16:9 aspect ratio videos.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 15, 2018, 12:57:46 PM
I know, but only the case if the video is 4:3, but this thread is specially about 720x576 non-square pixel, therefore 16:9 aspect ratio videos.
The problem is not solved with the "Full screen" command, it must be correct the firmware (I hope in the next version) to correctly reproduce the aspect ratios like the previous firmware (2.0.4) and all the other players.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 15, 2018, 01:05:21 PM
I know, but only the case if the video is 4:3, but this thread is specially about 720x576 non-square pixel, therefore 16:9 aspect ratio videos.
The problem is not solved with the "Full screen" command, it must be correct the firmware (I hope in the next version) to correctly reproduce the aspect ratios like the previous firmware (2.0.4) and all the other players.

I didn't debated that it must be fixed, just asking if it's the same effect or not, if we just set to "Full screen"?
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 15, 2018, 01:10:10 PM
I didn't debated that it must be fixed, just asking if it's the same effect or not, if we just set to "Full screen"?
Virtually yes!
With a 16: 9 pal movie, which is currently being replayed in 4: 3, with the "Full screen" command being restored to its original size.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 16, 2018, 07:54:08 AM
I didn't debated that it must be fixed, just asking if it's the same effect or not, if we just set to "Full screen"?
Virtually yes!
With a 16: 9 pal movie, which is currently being replayed in 4: 3, with the "Full screen" command being restored to its original size.

Why just "Virtually"? Does it stretch or zoom in to the original pixels in any way? If it doesn't distort the original picture than it's a correct solution (even if just temporary).
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 16, 2018, 08:09:26 AM
Why just "Virtually"? Does it stretch or zoom in to the original pixels in any way? If it doesn't distort the original picture than it's a correct solution (even if just temporary).
As a temporary solution, is I prefers that of pcristi  http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.msg21706#msg21706
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on January 16, 2018, 08:46:59 AM
Why just "Virtually"? Does it stretch or zoom in to the original pixels in any way? If it doesn't distort the original picture than it's a correct solution (even if just temporary).
As a temporary solution, is I prefers that of pcristi  http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.msg21706#msg21706

I also have some DVDs like this, so that's why i'm thinking over this. I guess to set manually to "Full screen" is still a better solution than downgrade the whole Player app just because this issue.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 16, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
I also have some DVDs like this, so that's why i'm thinking over this. I guess to set manually to "Full screen" is still a better solution than downgrade the whole Player app just because this issue.
If we talk about a "temporary" solution at this point, everyone can act as he sees fit, even if the "Full Screen" solution is inconvenient for me.
When you play pal files 16: 9 it is OK, then when you play 4: 3 files you have to turn off the full screen.
However, it is urgent to correct this bug with a new firmware.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 18, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Has anyone checked whether this problem has been solved with the latest firmware 2.0.7?

Thank you
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: GMPeet on January 18, 2018, 09:21:37 PM
Checked today. It is not fixed with the 2.0.7 update.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 18, 2018, 09:32:02 PM
Thank you for the confirmation.
I do not understand why they do not want to fix this bug.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: futeko.com on January 19, 2018, 09:29:49 AM
It is in the 2.0.7 bug report for HiMedia.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Markus on January 23, 2018, 09:58:09 AM
Thank you for the confirmation.
I do not understand why they do not want to fix this bug.

Hope to fix in next firware update.
Maybe in 2.0.8 version?  :o

Otherwise can we do a downgrade?

What is the latest android 7 firmware version without this bug?

Many thanks  ;)
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on January 23, 2018, 11:09:21 AM
Thank you for the confirmation.
I do not understand why they do not want to fix this bug.

Hope to fix in next firware update.
Maybe in 2.0.8 version?  :o

Otherwise can we do a downgrade?

What is the latest android 7 firmware version without this bug?

Many thanks  ;)
OFW/CFW 2.0.4
See also this post: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.msg21706#msg21706
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Markus on January 23, 2018, 07:45:56 PM
OFW/CFW 2.0.4
See also this post: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.msg21706#msg21706

Many thanks, this trick is a very good idea!  :)
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on April 28, 2018, 08:07:42 AM
Good morning
I would like to upgrade to FWC 2.0.8, and ask if the patch (http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2576.msg21706#msg21706)
still works on this version.  :-\

Thank you
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 13, 2019, 08:00:18 AM
Good morning
Also in version 2.1.4 the problem remains, in particular I was noticing that even the aspect ratio 4/3 is slightly distorted.
I enclose video, made with smartphone, sorry for the cormatic quality.

https://youtu.be/gXXC-w1lO2g
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 13, 2019, 08:21:34 AM
So you say that 4:3 aspect distorsion is new with 2.1.4 and wasn't present earlier? I'ts essential for me, I have many PAL 4:3 videos and DVD's...
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 13, 2019, 12:27:00 PM
It was also present previously, but the problem of the 16: 9 pal aspect ratio was not present to the 2.0.4 firmware from which I updated to 2.1.4

Note the difference between a 4: 3 @ 720x576 and a 4: 3 @ 1280x720 (upscaled)
In the Upscaled (1280x720) the correct aspect ratio is maintained
https://youtu.be/_KecJdkrVig

In my opinion the HiMedia firmware recognizes the 720x576 format as a proportion of 1.25 and not 1.34.
However, in the 720x576 (1.25) or 720x480 (1.5) format there is distortion in the aspect ratio.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 13, 2019, 03:35:47 PM
From where did you get these test patterns? I will want to have a run on 2.1.1.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: pcristi on June 13, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
@DMD

Are not HiMedia FW witch read SAR from file.
Old player from v2.0.4 is was just more convenient playing all 720x576 as default in full screen(16:9).
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 13, 2019, 11:20:59 PM
From where did you get these test patterns? I will want to have a run on 2.1.1.
Sorry if I answer you in this hour, I work shifts.
I send you the various Pattern Test files, so you can verify the correct aspect ratio.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ws8jdptccbca314/Pattern_Video.rar/file
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 14, 2019, 03:26:08 AM
Thanks. I've tested the two 4:3 pattern on PC with MPCHC and get the same visual result as on your video:

The first is the Pattern Test 4.3 1280x720 upscaled 25 fps.mp4 and the second is the Pattern Test 4.3 720x576 25 fps.mkv:
https://imgur.com/a/CcLROTj (https://imgur.com/a/CcLROTj)

I can see a slight vertical distorsion in the 720x576 video, wheres the circle not perfectly round, rather a bit squeezed. So i must guess the video is being this way and not the fault of the player? Have you tried with other players/Boxes or with PC?
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 14, 2019, 07:24:49 AM
This is the original file taken from the Video Essentials DVD (Joe Kane)
http://www.videoessentials.com/products/video-essentials-dvd/

Try this file on your PC, with any software player there is no problem.
With HiMedia OFW 2.1.4 Slightly distorted image
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tk74za2iiti2ewr/Snell%2526_Wilcox__4.3_720x576_25_fps.rar/file

Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 14, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
Yes, sadly with this new test file it appears to be squeezed a bit by HiMedia Player, as PC and KODI plays back normally. Newer noticed during playback of my regular 4:3 SD videos, maybe cause that it appears just a bit of a squeeze, but it seems like it's present...

Futeko: Please take that also on the buglist to be reported to HIMedia (if there would be any new FW's, but hope so, these "holes" can't be left without patching...)
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 15, 2019, 04:17:03 PM
I am in crisis and I cannot understand a simple reasoning, why a 4: 3 format video with 720x 576 pixel resolution (ratio 1.25) can be seen with the right proportions between stand-alone DVD player and TV, between PC software player and monitor?
I don't understand how a 1.25 (pixel resolution) ratio can match perfectly with the aspect ratio of 1.34 (4: 3)
I think the latest HiMedia firmware from 2.05 onwards do this kind of reasoning.
I do not know what to think.  :-\

Perhaps the reasoning is this, if I'm not mistaken:
The display aspect ratio (DAR) and the storage aspect ratio (SAR) defines the overall format of storing and displaying a movie, which can be represented by the following formula: PAR = DAR/SAR
While in the traditional films DAR and SAR coincide and therefore PAR = 1 (square pixels), this does not happen in the anamorphic video where the image is compressed in width and we have a PAR> 1.

    DVD PAL standard: PAR 1,066
    DVD PAL  anamorphic: PAR 1,422
    DVD NTSC standard: PAR 0,888
    DVD NTSC anamorphic: PAR 1,185

It would take a patch to get the SAR read from the file, As already mentioned by pcristi
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 16, 2019, 06:10:16 PM
To temporarily solve the problem, either downgrade to version 2.0.4 or upscaling files with aspect ratio 4: 3  >:(
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 19, 2019, 07:37:54 AM
Neither an option, and upscalling (re-encode) will reduce quality, specially in the case of interlaced videos.

Is the squeeze the same in the case of 4:3 DVD iso's?

Maybe for "simple" 4:3 avi's and mkv's there would be some other apps, like MX or Archos player that wouldn't squeeze the picture? Maybe worth to check it out.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 19, 2019, 02:28:47 PM
II use Adobe Premiere for upsacalare from 720x576 interlaced to 1280x720 progressive, with codec AVC (format H264) with average bitare of 10-12 mb/ s.
I also apply the anti-flicker filter (integrated in Premiere) for interlaced mode.
The theoretical loss that exists, however, is very irrelevant for practical purposes.

Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 19, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
You will loose the motion smoothness advantages in the case of interlaced videos if you "downgrade" them i.e. 50fps to 25fps.

But: have tried MX Player with the upper problematic test video and the aspect ratio displayed correctly, no squeeze at all.  So I guess I will use this option somehow (it easily can be also integrated in KODI to launch only SD videos with this resolution).

The only thing i'm not convinced about yet, if it has as good PQ as the HiMedia Player.  Will dig in deeper in it's Settings and options if there's a way to max out it's PQ on the HiMedia Box (there are a plenty decoder and even interlacing options). 

And also will have a try with Archos Player. Will see witch one is better. 
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 19, 2019, 02:58:21 PM
The HiMedia player for me is unsurpassed as a quality and is my favorite, so I regret that they have not solved the bug.
MX Player doesn't seem to be up to date and of lower quality.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 27, 2019, 09:31:58 PM
8 firmware have been released and I think the problem will no longer be solved.
At this point, in my opinion, it is to find a player at the height of the videoplayer and set it using a wrapper for 4: 3 video files.
Otherwise I don't see a solution unless I make the upscale @ 720p for all 720x576 4: 3 videos to be stored on HDD.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 29, 2019, 03:28:42 AM
At this point, in my opinion, it is to find a player at the height of the videoplayer and set it using a wrapper for 4: 3 video files.

Already mentioned MX Player, I can get the best result using HW+ decoder. Archos Player does seem to struggle and stutter hardly with my test SD videos (don't know why, maybe because the codecs), so it's a no-go. But if you've find any other better Player for the purpose don't forget to drop a line here.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 29, 2019, 06:11:32 AM
I will certainly do so, although I find it very difficult to find a worthy replacement for the videoplayer.
Not even the internal Kodi player is at the same level as the videoplayer.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 29, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
MX Player widely mentioned as one of the best SOC independent Android player. Maybe SMPC and VLC could also worth a try. Remember that these might have multiple different options for acceleration and decoders to use. I.e. SMPC will have a few different options for deinterlacing methods as well. Also has MX player. So maybe if it won't go as well at first run, it may worth to have a look at the Settings.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 29, 2019, 04:25:56 PM
I don't know if I'm crazy to find a worthy player that can replace Videoplayer, or transcode all the 720x576 material to 720p.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 30, 2019, 10:23:47 AM
I'm seriously thinking at this point without going crazy, reinstalling the 2.0.4 firmware and keeping it in these conditions until the bug is fixed or I will replace the Q10pro with another multimedia player.
I do not want and it is impossible to transcode all the pal material I collected in these years, and not even settle for players inferior to Videoplayer.
I'm sorry for HiMedia, I thought they took these bugs into consideration, obviously not considering them relevant.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: pcristi on June 30, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
OK. Let as know a model of media player witch do proper job for 576i SAR 16:9 and 576i SAR 4:3.
As I written already here HiMedia FW 2.0.4 are just more conformable version as play by default 576i video in full screen.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 30, 2019, 03:18:12 PM
As I've written MX Player does "proper job" for 576i 4:3.  Haven't tested 16:9 tho' as not that much interested, but it's free for all to check out.

But what would be so hard on it to get the proper aspect ratio for these kind of formats? A Celeron 3 PC can play it, and an RPi2 can play it perfectly with basic, 100 year old FREE playback softwares. The rest is just excuses... 
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 30, 2019, 04:47:30 PM
MX works with correct ratio for 4:3 for sure. One can setup playercorefactory in KODI for this resolution to open MX Player, but not for specific aspect ratios... So it will launch for both 576 /  4:3 and 16:9.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on June 30, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
A script should be inserted in the "playercorefactory.xml" so that MX Player is activated only for resolutions lower than 720p.
For higher resolutions, HiMedia Videoplayer must act, but I don't know where to find such a script.

Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on July 01, 2019, 05:15:20 AM
According to this thread:https://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1566.0 (https://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1566.0)  one will need something like this:

Code: [Select]
<playercorefactory>
<players>
<!-- himedia player for video -->
<player name="Wrapper" type="ExternalPlayer" audio="false" video="true">
<filename>com.himedia.xbmcwrapper</filename>
<hidexbmc>true</hidexbmc>
<playcountminimumtime>120</playcountminimumtime>
</player>

<player name="MXPlayerFree" type="ExternalPlayer" audio="false" video="true">
<filename>com.mxtech.videoplayer.ad</filename>
    <hidexbmc>true</hidexbmc>
    <playcountminimumtime>120</playcountminimumtime>
  </player
</players>

<rules action="prepend">

<!--network protocol rules-->

<rule protocols="http|https|rtmp|sop" player="VideoPlayer" /> <!--all http-->
<rule protocols="nfs|smb" player="Wrapper" /> <!--all nfs|smb-->

<!--internet streams rules-->

<rule protocols="pvr" player="VideoPlayer" /> <!--all pvr-->
<rule internetstream="true" player="VideoPlayer" /> <!--all streams-->

<!--video audio channels rules-->

<rule video="true" audiochannels="6" player="Wrapper" /> <!--5.1 audio-->
<rule video="true" audiochannels="8" player="Wrapper" /> <!-- 7.1 audio-->

<!--video resolution rules-->

<rule video="true" videoresolution="480" player="MXPlayerFree" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="576" player="MXPlayerFree" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="720" player="Wrapper" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="1080" player="Wrapper" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="2160" player="Wrapper" /> <!--4K-->

<!--audio / music rules-->

<rule audio="true" player="PAplayer"/> <!--all audio to kodi internal music player-->

<!--specific codecs rules-->

<rule video="true" audiocodec="truehd|true-hd|dtshd|dts-hd|dts" player="Wrapper"/>

<rule filename=".*.3D.*|.*.3D.iso|3D.*|*.m2ts" player="Wrapper"/>
<rule filetypes="iso|bdmv|mpls|m2ts" player="Wrapper"/>
<rule video="true"  player="Wrapper"/>
</rules>
</playercorefactory>

Not sure if it would work this way, maybe the order in the Players section needs to be swapped, or must enter additionally:

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<!--Video Rules-->
  <rule video="true" player="MXPlayerFree" > 

Sadly what's almost sure, that you will need the Network Share Persistent Mountpoint Patch to make it work with SMB and NFS.

Will test later today.

Edit: No it isn't working. Will ask int that Thread for further corrections. 
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DancesWithChickens on May 19, 2020, 06:55:02 PM
The problem with 576 aspect ration being "squeezed" with Wrapper is still apparent with the latest 2.1.4 and 2.1.4 lite firmwares.

Is there a fix for this, other than using a different video player + tinkering with playercorefactory?

Issues like this make me newer want to buy anything from Himedia ever again.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: nandish on May 19, 2020, 07:27:26 PM
The problem with 576 aspect ration being "squeezed" with Wrapper is still apparent with the latest 2.1.4 and 2.1.4 lite firmwares.

Is there a fix for this, other than using a different video player + tinkering with playercorefactory?

Issues like this make me newer want to buy anything from Himedia ever again.

Q5/10 Pro, has hardware with which Himedia cannot ensure proper software operation. These are hardware errors and no firmware will improve this.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DMD on May 19, 2020, 09:13:59 PM
I had to upscale all files from pal 576 to 720P.
This is the only solution.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DancesWithChickens on May 21, 2020, 09:20:47 AM
So i tried different settings with different players.

VLC for Android is very good, but i can't get it to output sound other than 2.0 Stereo, no matter which settings i try. :\
Other players like KMPlayer are worse at playback or simply not usable on an android box/tv.

I've kept MX Player for that reason and set it to play video streams as well as videos <720p, since Wrapper will output them squeezed.
The only setback is that i cannot get MX Player to skip chapters which are embedded in my ripped mkv files, since that player is primarily designed for phones.


This is my playercorefactory.xml:
Code: [Select]
<playercorefactory>
<players>
<!-- himedia player for video -->
<player name="Wrapper" type="ExternalPlayer" audio="false" video="true">
<filename>com.himedia.xbmcwrapper</filename>
<hidexbmc>true</hidexbmc>
<playcountminimumtime>120</playcountminimumtime>
</player>

<player name="MXPlayerFree" type="ExternalPlayer" audio="false" video="true">
<filename>com.mxtech.videoplayer.ad</filename>
<hidexbmc>true</hidexbmc>
<playcountminimumtime>120</playcountminimumtime>
</player>

</players>

<rules action="prepend">

<!--network protocol rules-->
<rule protocols="nfs|http|rtmp|sop" player="MXPlayerFree" /> <!--all nfs-->

<!--internet streams rules-->
<rule protocols="pvr" player="MXPlayerFree" /> <!--all pvr-->
<rule internetstream="true" player="MXPlayerFree" /> <!--all streams-->

<!--video audio channels rules-->
<rule video="true" audiochannels="7" player="Wrapper" />
<rule video="true" audiochannels="8" player="Wrapper" /> <!-- 7.1 audio-->

<!--video resolution rules-->
<rule video="true" videoresolution="2160" player="Wrapper" /> <!--4K-->
<rule video="true" videoresolution="1080" player="Wrapper" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="720" player="Wrapper" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="576" player="MXPlayerFree" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="540" player="MXPlayerFree" />
<rule video="true" videoresolution="480" player="MXPlayerFree" />

<!--audio / music rules-->
<rule audio="true" player="PAplayer"/> <!--all audio to kodi internal music player-->

<!--specific codecs rules-->
<rule video="true" audiocodec="truehd|true-hd|dtshd|dts-hd|dts" player="Wrapper"/>
<rule filetypes="iso|bdmv|mpls|m2ts|img" player="Wrapper"/>

</rules>

</playercorefactory>



Software i use for ripping my DVDs into mkv with chapters and subtitles (fast + easy to use):
- ImgBurn: rip DVD to iso
- MakeMKV BETA 1.15.1: open iso, select video/audio/subtitle you want in your mkv (or select all)
- name file according to themoviedb.org, so that KODIs TMDb scraper can scan it properly
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on May 21, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
The problem with 576 aspect ration being "squeezed" with Wrapper is still apparent with the latest 2.1.4 and 2.1.4 lite firmwares.

Is there a fix for this, other than using a different video player + tinkering with playercorefactory?

Issues like this make me newer want to buy anything from Himedia ever again.

Q5/10 Pro, has hardware with which Himedia cannot ensure proper software operation. These are hardware errors and no firmware will improve this.

Was working fine in previous firmwares and other players can do it properly, so it's surely the fault of the firmware development.
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: DancesWithChickens on June 04, 2020, 08:08:30 AM
it isn't a firmware issue, the problem lies with the VideoPlayer itself.
i installed the older HimediaVideoPlayer, which works fine with these aspect ratios:

New HiMediaVideoPlayer is like that in both official and CFW 2.0.4.
For restore old HiMediaVideoPlayer download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nfx0n7ms0xmaakq/restore%28old_player%29_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411%28AirMouse_inputs_support%29.zip) rename to update.zip and apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade. In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer again use this update.zip with restore method.

From the CFW 2.0.4 changelog: - New HiMediaVideoPlayer(VideoPlayer VideoPlay) not accept AirMouse/HiControl inputs

Is this just with the CFW or with the official 2.0.4 also?

And what does it mean exactly in the case of an airmouse? It just doesn't react to the mouse pointer or entirely, even the buttons are useless?!

Thank you!


The problem:
It's an older version, so it has other issues, like subtitles being always on when a new vid starts.

So... the question which comes to mind...:
are there newer versions of HiMediaVideoPlayer anywhere for download which might fix this once and for all?
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 05, 2020, 05:51:30 AM
it isn't a firmware issue, the problem lies with the VideoPlayer itself.
i installed the older HimediaVideoPlayer, which works fine with these aspect ratios:

New HiMediaVideoPlayer is like that in both official and CFW 2.0.4.
For restore old HiMediaVideoPlayer download restore(old_player)_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411(AirMouse_inputs_support).zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nfx0n7ms0xmaakq/restore%28old_player%29_HiMediaVideoPlayer_1.0.11_HMD_0411%28AirMouse_inputs_support%29.zip) rename to update.zip and apply from Setting/Upgrade/Local Upgrade. In case want new HiMediaVideoPlayer again use this update.zip with restore method.

From the CFW 2.0.4 changelog: - New HiMediaVideoPlayer(VideoPlayer VideoPlay) not accept AirMouse/HiControl inputs

Is this just with the CFW or with the official 2.0.4 also?

And what does it mean exactly in the case of an airmouse? It just doesn't react to the mouse pointer or entirely, even the buttons are useless?!

Thank you!


The problem:
It's an older version, so it has other issues, like subtitles being always on when a new vid starts.

So... the question which comes to mind...:
are there newer versions of HiMediaVideoPlayer anywhere for download which might fix this once and for all?

I've wrote firmware development, which includes the actual HiMedaiPayer app that comes with it. So you can see now it's not a hardware issue, rather than the incompetence or the ignorance of the developers. If it still bothers you that much, just sell and buy a more reliable and polished media player with better firmware/software support. (So will I.)
Title: Re: 720x576 aspect ratio problem
Post by: Mount81 on June 06, 2020, 03:26:49 AM
Maybe ask it in the CFW Topic if he has a version of the app like that, but I don't think this app can be modded just like that.