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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: Dutch on May 09, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
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I've upgraded from my Popcorn A-400 to the Q10 Pro. So far I'm really impressed by this wonderful machine.
Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.
I've tested the same connection with my laptop and could easily transfer files to my NAS with 640Mbps.
Any ideas?
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Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.Any ideas?
I am currently doing extensive testing to use Q10 pro as a simple NAS next as a media player.
I am using the "Fantec 4-Bay USB3" as a HDD source. See attachment. This after being tipped by Alter_Schwede62 to Fantec.
The manual indicates support up to 6 TB but also 8 TB drives are detected and work correctly as expected.
The box is recognized inclusive any mix of 4 different HDD's using either MBR or GPT (2TB => 8TB). So connectivity test is OK.
The Docking Station paragraph of the HDD > 2 TB tutorial has been updated accordingly.
Regarding throughput using the included Samba Server (which has some serious flaws) I reach between 20 MB/s (write min) and 30 MB/s (read max).
This is less than what I expected also. The good news is that a Samba file transfer leaves ample headroom to do local activities. Tried in practice playing a full BD on another media player using Q10 Pro as the NAS and playing a second full BD on Q10 Pro itself concurrently. This setup worked. Uploads are hardly influenced by what is done on the player which indicated multi tasking/streaming works well. For UHD and 3D-BD throughput could be a problem and was not tested yet. A real NAS which I was using in the past failed this test (concurrent upload and playback of a BD).
LAN streaming by the way is a different spec and is about playing an UHD movie at up to 255 Mbps from an external NAS device (Read as a Samba client).
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iperf test btw Q10 Pro and windows PC.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2d17/e87cuzsffeb8axszg.jpg?size_id=5)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/563c/5lop0lzttzyc89lzg.jpg?size_id=5)
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250Mbps+ is for streaming from LAN.
Speeds will be slower for copying files to internal HDD. 140-160Mbps is actually not a bad result for an Android box. Windows PCs will always be faster because other parts of the chipset (storage and IO interface) are faster.
Here are stats for some other Android boxes copying from LAN, (from here http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/10/09/zidoo-x6-pro-android-tv-box-review/):
(http://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Zidoo_X6_Pro_Gigabit_Ethernet_Performance.png)
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I get 24-25 MB/s write speed when copying to the installed HD with wired LAN and Samba. Wifi is much slower.
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Real user experience copy file over samba server form Windows PC to USB 3.0 attached device.
sdcard(3-17MB/s) (emmc)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ed1c/oo5nvqrw4xip8r9zg.jpg)
Kingston ultimate 3.0 G3(16-18.5MB/s)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e40a/v2011gclsy2k8g2zg.jpg)
USB 3.0 WD 1T 2nd generation my passport
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6c3e/7cfhx59gyigjf6ezg.jpg)
CPU Temp/Usage easy to see samba server is background process and CPU frequency is 400Mhz.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f828/r4o39sixp3tglyrzg.jpg?size_id=4)
Conclusion is good speed for Android box.
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I've upgraded from my Popcorn A-400 to the Q10 Pro. So far I'm really impressed by this wonderful machine.
Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.
I've tested the same connection with my laptop and could easily transfer files to my NAS with 640Mbps.
Any ideas?
Hi,
I am new to setting this up!
I have it ethernet wired from a bridged router and everything on my home theater system that has a internal HDD, is visible.
However, although the Q10 Pro is visible in computer Network - as a media player - it does not show me the internal HDD of the Q10 Pro, or the various folders on that HDD containing the Movies, TV shows etc.
How is it connected and set-up, so that I can see the Q10 Pro HDD, so I can transfer files from main computer to it?
Any help would be great.
Cheers.
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I've upgraded from my Popcorn A-400 to the Q10 Pro. So far I'm really impressed by this wonderful machine.
Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.
I've tested the same connection with my laptop and could easily transfer files to my NAS with 640Mbps.
Any ideas?
Hi,
I am new to setting this up!
I have it ethernet wired from a bridged router and everything on my home theater system that has a internal HDD, is visible.
However, although the Q10 Pro is visible in computer Network - as a media player - it does not show me the internal HDD of the Q10 Pro, or the various folders on that HDD containing the Movies, TV shows etc.
How is it connected and set-up, so that I can see the Q10 Pro HDD, so I can transfer files from main computer to it?
Any help would be great.
Cheers.
You have to enable the "Samba service" (done in the in settings screen) to be able to access the Media player from your computer (the internal HDD mount is called sda1).
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I've upgraded from my Popcorn A-400 to the Q10 Pro. So far I'm really impressed by this wonderful machine.
Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.
I've tested the same connection with my laptop and could easily transfer files to my NAS with 640Mbps.
Any ideas?
Hi,
I am new to setting this up!
I have it ethernet wired from a bridged router and everything on my home theater system that has a internal HDD, is visible.
However, although the Q10 Pro is visible in computer Network - as a media player - it does not show me the internal HDD of the Q10 Pro, or the various folders on that HDD containing the Movies, TV shows etc.
How is it connected and set-up, so that I can see the Q10 Pro HDD, so I can transfer files from main computer to it?
Any help would be great.
Cheers.
You have to enable the "Samba service" (done in the in settings screen) to be able to access the Media player from your computer (the internal HDD mount is called sda1).
Thanks.
Could you please point me in the right direction of how to set this up for FTP?
The SMB Share is like this....for example:
\\192.XXX.1.95\share\sda\sda1
How do I connect FTP to this, I can't seem to get it to connect....
Cheers.
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I've upgraded from my Popcorn A-400 to the Q10 Pro. So far I'm really impressed by this wonderful machine.
Except when it comes to the network performance (LAN):
Whatever I do, the network speed of the Q10 Pro averages between 140-160Mbps when copying (large) files to the internal HDD.
Since the specs mention: "Rates of 250Mbps+ for LAN streaming are achievable", I must be doing something wrong.
I've tested the same connection with my laptop and could easily transfer files to my NAS with 640Mbps.
Any ideas?
Hi,
I am new to setting this up!
I have it ethernet wired from a bridged router and everything on my home theater system that has a internal HDD, is visible.
However, although the Q10 Pro is visible in computer Network - as a media player - it does not show me the internal HDD of the Q10 Pro, or the various folders on that HDD containing the Movies, TV shows etc.
How is it connected and set-up, so that I can see the Q10 Pro HDD, so I can transfer files from main computer to it?
Any help would be great.
Cheers.
You have to enable the "Samba service" (done in the in settings screen) to be able to access the Media player from your computer (the internal HDD mount is called sda1).
Thanks.
Could you please point me in the right direction of how to set this up for FTP?
The SMB Share is like this....for example:
\\192.XXX.1.95\share\sda\sda1
How do I connect FTP to this, I can't seem to get it to connect....
Cheers.
I'm not using FTP, but as far als I know there's no out-of-the-box FTP support (yet).
My best guess is that you'll need to download and setup an app: http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=207730&page=27
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Hello
For FTP need install any FTP server from Google Play like this one.
FTP Server Ultimate
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.ftpserverultimate&hl=en
Kingston ultimate 3.0 G3 connected on USB 3.0 Q10Pro & FileZilla FTF client on windows PC
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ec34/sgwvdl75vdld59mzg.jpg)
Note because of security setting of sdcard trying to accessing over FTP server maybe you get error "550 Invalid name or chroot violation".
Could you please point me in the right direction of how to set this up for FTP?
The SMB Share is like this....for example:
\\192.XXX.1.95\share\sda\sda1
How do I connect FTP to this, I can't seem to get it to connect....
Cheers.
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Hello
For FTP need install any FTP server from Google Play like this one.
FTP Server Ultimate
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.ftpserverultimate&hl=en
Kingston ultimate 3.0 G3 connected on USB 3.0 Q10Pro & FileZilla FTF client on windows PC
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ec34/sgwvdl75vdld59mzg.jpg)
Note because of security setting of sdcard trying to accessing over FTP server maybe you get error "550 Invalid name or chroot violation".
Could you please point me in the right direction of how to set this up for FTP?
The SMB Share is like this....for example:
\\192.XXX.1.95\share\sda\sda1
How do I connect FTP to this, I can't seem to get it to connect....
Cheers.
Is this FTP Server installed on the Q10 pro (via Google Play)?
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Is this FTP Server installed on the Q10 pro (via Google Play)?
It is a SAMBA server which is included. Access via Windows SMB / CIFS protocol and a SAMBA Client on your PC.
A good FTP server is included with ES Explorer which is for free. and can be downloaded from the Play Store.
Have it installed myself and is includes in the PCRISTI Custom Firmware package too.
Personally prefer Total Commander as file manager which has an optional FTP-Server also. Use it also to play music (very easy to select a bunch of albums).
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Is this FTP Server installed on the Q10 pro (via Google Play)?
It is a SAMBA server which is included. Access via Windows SMB / CIFS protocol and a SAMBA Client on your PC.
A good FTP server is included with ES Explorer which is for free. and can be downloaded from the Play Store.
Have it installed myself and is includes in the PCRISTI Custom Firmware package too.
Personally prefer Total Commander as file manager which has an optional FTP-Server also. Use it also to play music (very easy to select a bunch of albums).
OK.
I already have ES Explorer on the box, so will check it out.
Any tips for setting it up for FTP?
Thanks.
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I already have ES Explorer on the box, so will check it out.
Any tips for setting it up for FTP?
Thanks.
No except that "FTP Server" is labeled differently (remote support or something like it) which may put you on the wrong leg. It did for me. Next fill in the required fields and it is a go.
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iperf test btw Q10 Pro and windows PC.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2d17/e87cuzsffeb8axszg.jpg?size_id=5)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/563c/5lop0lzttzyc89lzg.jpg?size_id=5)
Pardon to post in an old thread, but I thought it's better than creating a new one.
Could you please advice on how to replicate your results?
I am also not entirely happy with the data connection speeds I'm getting.
I have the Q10 Pro connected with a CAT6 cable (Wireless turned off) to the router (Gigabit connection on Virgin media Super hub 3).
In the box I have a 2TB WD drive connected via SATA.
Using samba either wired or on wireless connection from a PC, I'm getting a slow connection.
I've attached a screenshot that shows what I'm getting over wireless (AC connection) and in terms of wired it's about 200Mbit write and 100 read.
Please advice if I should try either getting a USB 3.0 Gigabit Lan adapter, possibly getting a faster HDD/SSD or upgrading my router and putting existing one into modem mode.
Many thanks to all in advance.
Eugene
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Using Samba throughput is limited as resources are spared for other front processes.
Using "Primitive FTPD " APP instead (or next to it) much better transfer speeds can be reached.
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Using Samba throughput is limited as resources are spared for other front processes.
Using "Primitive FTPD " APP instead (or next to it) much better transfer speeds can be reached.
Cheers and yes that would give faster transfer speeds, but what about being able to just browse data as if it's one of your local drives. It is a home network after all, or since it's android and samba implementation on it is too restrictive in terms of speed?
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A LAN speed test does not say very much to me. The process on Q10 Pro to answer may be running at a very low priority.
More important is what real applications bring.
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Samba implementation is not just slow on Q10/5 Pro but bugged as well. I experienced file opening problems via smb shares. NFS is working pretty well in the other hand with relatively fast transfer rate a "bugless" so far and you can make it work with Kodi if you make direct mount points to the device fs.
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So what are we concluding?
That this has nothing to do with the actual lan controller, but has anyone actually tried an external usb3 lan adapter to confirm?
Would connecting the drive via usb3 rather than sata make things potentially faster for access via samba?
What I'm trying to ask is have we got any way of improving current state of things.
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The HW is not the bottleneck in any sense.
Samba server included seems to be designed to really act as a NAS Server. For a NAS Server used for media streaming to various consumers including concurrent local playback it is important that all get their fair share to keep all streams fluent. This Samba implementation does this very well. It is not good for bulk transfer.
Lucky enough FTP does a good job for that. So for me the current setup is just fine with exception Samba Server reporting the wrong HDD size and free space.
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Samba implementation is not just slow on Q10/5 Pro but bugged as well. I experienced file opening problems via smb shares. NFS is working pretty well in the other hand with relatively fast transfer rate a "bugless" so far and you can make it work with Kodi if you make direct mount points to the device fs.
Sorry, what do you mean by NFS, network file system?
And what approach works well for you?
Cheers
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Samba FileTransfer is slower.
I get 25MB/S through my Gigabitlan and Samba
FTP reaches 68MB/S :) I use Filezilla on Windows and primitive ftp on Q10pro
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Sorry, what do you mean by NFS, network file system?
And what approach works well for you?
Cheers
Yes network file system. I share my content on the network with NFS as well and and mount the NFS shares to the device directly. You can use this method:
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=813.0
After that you need to add Kodi libraries as local file not network share. This is the best performance solution I found so far and the most stable/bug free.