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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: magnifico on April 27, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
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Did an extensive review with a bu list in red and suggestions in yellow. All are confirmed. A few were reported individually and not added like UI freeze.
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Please post link(s) and I will add...
test was on preproduction or normally buyed box ?
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Please post link(s) and I will add...
test was on preproduction or normally buyed box ?
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=745.0
Standard box: I have no special relation with Futeko or Himedia. I have more than average experience and interest in media players. I also believe strongly in forums helping each other staying nice and polite, hence my avatar.
Oh yes, the box was launched in what I would call a Beta state. Not as I would like to see it, but I never saw a box which worked really according specs at day one. Media Players (and android TV's) in what I call Alpha state are more common. So I say some patience please, try to help diagnose in detail and wait and see.
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SCREENSAVER missing - total showstopper for many many people.
What is about the screensaver need? This just to understand. I do by the way love a good screensaver interface which I dearly miss here as I use those to trigger APP's which do a slideshow in the background with truly gorgeous hi-res pictures. :'(
A screensaver was needed to avoid burn in of CRT-Screens and to a lesser degree Plasma-screens. All other technologies don't have a problem there anymore. Very few CRT around for UHD playback but yes Plasma is around still but fading out too. I doubt we will see 4K Ultra HD Premium certified Plasma TV's, which obviously is the thing one needs to hook up to this player. ;)
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After sometime when left running its says:
"Unfortunately System UI has stopped"
A reboot is its only discourse.
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Hey @magnifico, and others here, I'm monitoring this thread, so please continue, but I've got you covered w/everything on your list already on private issues/requests tracker for HiMedia. Just be patient, and don't expect everything to be addressed. This stuff takes times and HiMedia is making progress (http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=265888&pid=2322505#pid2322505).
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When pressing TV Mode button in 24Hz Mode, nothing is displayed.
Under 1080p 60Hz it displays 1080p 60Hz, in 1080p 24Hz it displays ... Nothing.
After I reinstalled the Firmeware, Google Play crashed always after some seconds.
Only an uptdate to the newest Google Play Version solved this cras problem.
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BTW Magnifico.
Is it possible that generally below a resolution of 1080p Framesitching does not work?
If I set my box to 60Hz it playes my 720p movies all in 60Hz, no matter whether they are in 60Hz, 24Hz or 25 reps. 50Hz.
It would be very nice, if the Q10 Pro switches to all different Framerates, not only to 24Hz AND in all resolutions, not only in 1080p, so minimum too in resolutions like 720p and SD material (576p PAL or 480p NTSC).
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24P is your problem mate.
The device displays 1080P 24P perfectly well! No problem EVER seen there. Check other devices connected for problems.
AVR? Cable issue?
Sorry, you missunderstood.
I want to say, that the little lable down below on the screen does not show, that the movie plays in 1080p 24Hz.
Not that it does not switch to 24Hz.
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There is a private bug list which HiMedia are working through, but no probs if you want to maintain a public one here.
-Auto frame rate switching (23.976) works for 4K and 1080p, but not for resolutions below 1080p. HiMedia are aware of this.
-A screensaver would be nice and can be added to Kodi through add-ons if you use Kodi.
-No wrapper support for Samba password protected shares is a longstanding problem and is related to security features in Android. It's going to be difficult to solve.
-HDR will be fixed soon.
-Resuming videos definitely works here in Kodi+wrapper from Samba share.
-HiMedia are aware of SACD not working and are working to implement it.
-HDMI-CEC should be fixable. It's implemented in the chipset.
- The Google Play Store crashing problem only happen immediately after firmware install before Play Store has a chance to update itself. Hopefully not a problem on future firmware but not a big problem now since it fixes itself on first run of Play Store.
-TV Mode 24p not display correct info is noted and has been passed to HiMedia.
-Please reinstall firmware instead of doing a factory reset. The factory reset will reset the box with some HiMedia apps missing. It is likely to cause problems.
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Please always reinstall firmware and do not do a factory reset. You will lose some HiMedia apps doing a factory reset and it is likely to cause instability.
Not all Android devices are the same, and in the case of Q10 Pro some app are installed during first boot after firmware install (watch and first boot takes a lot longer than usual). These apps will be missing if you do a factory reset.
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-Auto frame rate switching (23.976) works for 4K and 1080p, but not for resolutions below 1080p. HiMedia are aware of this.
May I ask one little question, futeko?
Is Himedia only aware of it, or do the solve it/correct it?
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May I ask one little question, futeko?
Is Himedia only aware of it, or do the solve it/correct it?
They are aware of it and are working to solve it. We are a retailer, we have good communication with HiMedia but we aren't privy to the detailed workings of their firmware development team in China. We can only pass on problems for them to solve.
I believe that subtitle problem is fixed in latest testing firmware. If you point me to a sample .srt file I will test.
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Can anyone confirm - Chrome crashes while trying to write/input text via remote control app (HiControl V200)?
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Ah, o.k., and thanx for your effort, futeko.
I am looking forward to the next Firmware. :D
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Thanx. :D
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Good evening,
i will report some very annoying problems:
* No screen saver for the desktop menue => plasma displays will burn in.
* No dimming for video in pause mode => plasma displays will burn in (espacially in 3D mode with high brightness + high contrast).
* DVD.ISO does not work correctly. No menue, only main stream. Like bluray menue.
* Some video are asynchron. After video stop/start speech is synchron.
Very poor work. Other chinese like fantec had many years ago not so serious problems. It seems himedia is new in this business.
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NEVER ever have seen this this message and had this thing running over 12hours continued.
Posting a thread that confirms this issue: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=748.0 (http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=748.0)
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NEVER ever have seen this this message and had this thing running over 12hours continued.
Posting a thread that confirms this issue: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=748.0 (http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=748.0)
Is confirmed and so now is listed!
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Very poor work. Other chinese like fantec had many years ago not so serious problems. It seems himedia is new in this business.
Every Fantec Android box has had problems at launch, not to mention that they are technologically a long way behind the curve.
Fantec just rebadge cheap Chinese hardware based on out of date hardware. HiMedia custom build cutting edge products based on the latest chipsets.
Q10 Pro firmware is very good considering it is the first and only product based on HiSilicon V200. Nearly everything works well.
Saying that, HiMedia are a serious company and are working through all the little bugs. They will all be squashed. :)
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** "KODI Media Center Q10 Pro comes with pre-installed KODI, with integral hardware video decoding, supports DTS-HD, 4K@60fps, 10 bit color, and 3D ISO support." - That's not a quote from our site. But it is true. Kodi on Q10 Pro does have integral hardware decoding and it does support (via wrapper) DTS HD 4K60, 10bit colour, and 3D ISO.
** "I CAN EXPECT IT TO SHOW MORE INFO OTHER THAN JUST CLOCK" - Something is very wrong with your Q10 Pro if all it can do is display a clock. I suggest returning it if that is really the case.
** Resume in Kodi+wrapper definitely works in all but a very small minority of cases. I don't think it's unreasonable to be looking at why it doesn't work for you, and that might be the NAS.
** Auto frame rate switching definitely works.
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** "I CAN EXPECT IT TO SHOW MORE INFO OTHER THAN JUST CLOCK" - Something is very wrong with your Q10 Pro if all it can do is display a clock. I suggest returning it if that is really the case.
It is definately only showing the clock, and there aren't any settings in the system, where you can change the settings of the display, beside Display On/Off
** Auto frame rate switching definitely works.
But only for the resolution 1080p and higher. Below 1080p Auto framerate switching does not work.
But as I know, you and Himedia already know. Thats what you wrote two days ago.
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With my gratitudes @magnifico's initiative to gather things for Q10 Pro's product improvement...
looun's insights are valid... but if he/she does not like magnifico's way/mode of giving service, do suggest on making his/her own thread than ranting someone's..
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I have Synology. Don't use DSVideo... it's an inferior way to pull/play your videos from your Synology NAS. Use SMB or NFS.
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ANY device can pickup the stopped playback. > I stop playback on a tronsmart S802 box in the living room and can pick up right that position in the bed room with my samsung TV. DO THAT WITH KODI!
i think can you do the same thing also with Kodi(dvdplayer) and SQL db,but i am not sure.
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I can confirm from out of the video above, that the last two options from the settings of the Imprex Engine cannot be saved.
Each time the Q10 Pro is restarted, those two options are resetted rsp. Set to Standard.
Will this be fixed in a Firmware Update?
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Did anybody write down, that in the Imprex Engine window, the last two items cannot be saved?
They always reset after a restart of the box.
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You need to add in your bug list all mkv in 1920X ( under 1080 cropped black band video ) dont switch in 24p
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You need to add in your bug list all mkv in 1920X ( under 1080 cropped black band video ) dont switch in 24p
that means that framerateswitching ONLY works with 1920x1080 material....nothing else!
nice job @ HiMedia ::)
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Did anybody write down, that in the Imprex Engine window, the last two items cannot be saved?
They always reset after a restart of the box.
forgot to add that...thanks for reminding me.
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that means that framerateswitching ONLY works with 1920x1080 material....nothing else!
nice job @ HiMedia ::)
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means that frame-rate switching in current firmware doesn't work for video below 1080p. It works for 1080p / 4K.
I'm a bit bored of you exaggerating problems so am going to edit the OP to reflect fact. I'll make clear where I've made edits.
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that means that framerateswitching ONLY works with 1920x1080 material....nothing else!
nice job @ HiMedia ::)
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means that frame-rate switching in current firmware doesn't work for video below 1080p. It works for 1080p / 4K.
I'm a bit bored of you exaggerating problems so am going to edit the OP to reflect fact. I'll make clear where I've made edits.
I'm not exaggerating anything. Framerateswitching did not work for me in 4k. Thats what what I had in memory. But that' s not correct. It does switch to 1080p 24hz when I play 4k file@24hz. That is much better right? this is listed now as new bug.
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Did anybody write down, that in the Imprex Engine window, the last two items cannot be saved?
They always reset after a restart of the box.
forgot to add that...thanks for reminding me.
ah! that was already listed (last point!) ::)
removed the duplicate.
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O.k.
I tried the new CFW from today, but only had problems.
Problems with Kodi, With the Powerbar, with ES Explorer, for me it was awful to try that Firmware.
But the good, beside the not to 24Hz switching with <1080p resolution movies, is that with the original Firmware 1.01, Nova Launcher, Kodi 15.2 and Wrapper 3.6 MKVs from 4 HDDs in a USB HDD bay are played well up to nearly 100%. For me at the moment a very konstant and stable combination. :)
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Wrapper not displaying character encoding CP 1250 right.
Squares instead of diacritics.
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Anyone to confirm this potential bug?
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@magnifico:
This problem is subtle to notice, but right at the home screen (after boot up), the CPU usage is constantly high in my box (>20%) even if I'm not doing anything. The issue goes away when running any app or leaving the home screen. >:(
I use Resource Monitor Mini and Tinycore to track real-time CPU usage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.kfsoft.android.MemoryIndicator
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.neotech.app.tinycore
We should have the CPU preserved and not waste its power unnecessarily.
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Wrapper not displaying character encoding CP 1250 right.
Squares instead of diacritics.
Fixed in testing firmware and next official firmware.
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@magnifico:
This problem is subtle to notice, but right at the home screen (after boot up), the CPU usage is constantly high in my box (>20%) even if I'm not doing anything. The issue goes away when running any app or leaving the home screen. >:(
I use Resource Monitor Mini and Tinycore to track real-time CPU usage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.kfsoft.android.MemoryIndicator
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.neotech.app.tinycore
We should have the CPU preserved and not waste its power unnecessarily.
Noted. The solution is known and info has been passed to Himedia. Possibly too late for next firmware, maybe one after that.
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@magnifico:
This problem is subtle to notice, but right at the home screen (after boot up), the CPU usage is constantly high in my box (>20%) even if I'm not doing anything. The issue goes away when running any app or leaving the home screen. >:(
I use Resource Monitor Mini and Tinycore to track real-time CPU usage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.kfsoft.android.MemoryIndicator
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.neotech.app.tinycore
We should have the CPU preserved and not waste its power unnecessarily.
i don't think it's a real status , this app is development for mobile smartphone not for set-box and special for hisilicon Soc.
Ad for example q10 have some backgrup service: DNLA server, SAMBA fileshare ecc.
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I want to report a bug, that I think until now nobody wrote down.
I don't know, whether it is because all resolutions below 1080p and even cropped 1080p movies cannot be played in 24 Hz or whether there is another reason for that.
Of course I am talking of playing MKVs in Kodi via Wrapper resp. Himediaplayer from USB HDDs.
I discovered, that with many movies blow the 1080p resolution, and are in 23.976, if there are pan scenes, the slow pans are showed absolut smooth.
The fast pans are showed good and relative smooth.
The middle fast pans sometimes have enormous stuttering, especially if those pans have a very special speed.
With the Q5 4K I watched that very, very seldom, but with the new Q10 Pro I saw that many times.
Perhaps it is because of the Q10 Pro playes neary all of my movies (99% below 1080p 23,976, and that are over 2000 movies!) in 1080p 60Hz.
I hope so, because with the upcoming Update that problem would be solved,.
But if not,I have to say that my Q5 4K is playing those middle slow pans nearly 95% without any stuttering. Much better that the Q10 Pro does it at the moment.
So I am hoping very very much, that 23.976 movies below 1080p finally can be played in 24Hz!!
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Updated my review http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=745.0 which contains several items not included here.
It tells also a lot of good things amongst others a realistic Q10 Pro function as a basic NAS. The weak point is the flawed Samba Server and it has an average score on throughput (20 MB/s Write).
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My Q10 pro arrived yesterday. I also have issues and I am using a Synology server with DS Video.
Many 1080p 24 files are displaying the incorrect framerate, sometimes 24p films play at 50hz or 60hz and don't upscale to 4k. Certain 4K files I just get a black screen with audio too. I am a little confused by the settings. I have the box set at 2160p 60hz in the settings. If I enable that checkbox for the auto frame rate switching in the actual android settings then it really plays havoc with resolutions and framerates, with that box ticked they are all over the place, even not upscaling 1080p to 4K on an LG OLED HDMI 2.0a TV.
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My Q10 pro arrived yesterday. I also have issues and I am using a Synology server with DS Video.
Many 1080p 24 files are displaying the incorrect framerate, sometimes 24p films play at 50hz or 60hz and don't upscale to 4k. Certain 4K files I just get a black screen with audio too. I am a little confused by the settings. I have the box set at 2160p 60hz in the settings. If I enable that checkbox for the auto frame rate switching in the actual android settings then it really plays havoc with resolutions and framerates, with that box ticked they are all over the place, even not upscaling 1080p to 4K on an LG OLED HDMI 2.0a TV.
If you read some pages you should have learned that most of your complaints are not DSvideo based but general Bug.
PARTS of the problem should be fixed with the next firmware (based on what futeko said).
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My LG 4K OLED HDR TV has HDR10 and DolbyVision built in. I also have the same JVC projector as you have and JVC's specs are a lie. The 4K mode is just 1080p with another 1080p image shifted one pixel. Fake 4K on a 1080p LCOS.
HDR10 on UHD blu ray and Amazon Prime looks amazing on my LG OLED. Pity HDR is still not functioning on Q10 pro. Amazon Prime app doesn't even work, nor All4 and Demand5 both UK catch up TV apps that function on my Android phone and iPad.
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http://www.lg.com/uk/lgoled/sub/signature/signature.html
The LG is the first DolbyVision certified product for sale. I don't think they would be able to charge 8000 euro's and lie. I have a JVC and love it just because it's a projector and I have a 120" screen but 4K HDR OLEDs have the best image I've ever seen.
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HDR works on beta-testing f/w. Only 10-bit 59.940 wasn't working when I tested, so this should be all fixed in next official f/w.
Re: Dolby Vision, maybe . can get word from HiMedia on what kind of implementation is in Q10 Pro and Q5 Pro ... before calling them liars. I don't see HiMedia just slapping Dolby Vision support label on there w/o actually having it ... just need to know what they mean.
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I agree, plus from what I've read DolbyVision will be available on HDMI 1.4. Considering HDR10 needs 2.0a this means uhd blu ray players will be able to supply older 4k TV's with some form of HDR.
Some people have no idea what they are talking about. For a start adaptive HDR won't be on any device under HDMI 2.1 and nothing has that yet. Some people are soo Ill informed.
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in case someone missed bug :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygtzvNqmb8
hdmi communication is g....ed after connecting device to audio system with tv
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Now zero mention of Dolby Vision on Q10 Pro product page (http://www.himediatech.com/q10pro.html)... hmm. Honestly, I could care less about DV, but we need confirmation from HiMedia. Even HDR seems unsettled. See here. (http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=221407&pid=2335045#pid2335045)
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I will see what HiMedia say about Dolby Vision tomorrow morning and report back here.
Our description only echoes the info we got from HiMedia.
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Now zero mention of Dolby Vision on Q10 Pro product page (http://www.himediatech.com/q10pro.html)... hmm. Honestly, I could care less about DV, but we need confirmation from HiMedia. Even HDR seems unsettled. See here. (http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=221407&pid=2335045#pid2335045)
It is far from trivial as new UHD 4K material will have either HDR or Dolby Vision. At the moment it is all HDR but this may change overnight.
Basic compatibility, being capable to cover the full spectrum and getting official certifications + applying the logo are 3 different things.
Himedia is not going to carry the logo I understood. The first 2 aspects are more important. Look at Sony using its own label instead of which some products do comply and others don't fully (for TV's that is).
Don't confuse what is needed for HDR, Dolby Vision, WCG and Deep Color from a player and from a TV perspective. A player needs to decode and forward it to a TV which can be complicated enough, but a TV must be capable to reproduce the images with these new capabilities and that is something very different and a real challenge today. Even OLED TV's still have problems covering the full spectrum.
Also not to be confused is the various HDMI standards for amongst others different transfer rates and capabilities exchanges. Most if not all UHD 4K material with any combination of HQ audio/video on BD will be 24P based and won't have a problem with HDMI 2.0a for sure. Video streaming services typically have even far lower bitrates. Demo and studio material can be at any rate and with any combination. There are no consumer products with HDMI 2.1 today and won't be needed for the official material to be published for the foreseeable time. Developments will go on for sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
For players backward compatibility is the big real challenge here. Like with HDR a player needs to be capable to strip Dolby Vision, WCG, Deep Color when talking to one of the current 4K TV's. which is most often not compliant with most aspects for sure. But people expect it to give a picture at least.
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The wrapper does not really work for NFS ( only works using drop down menu and using DVD-player.) Does not work at all for BD-iso.
Based on wrapper Wrapper-1.0.1_HMD_0505
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they have not included this feature on production models...may be
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stumbled across this link: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77G6P-oled-4k-tv
given right from DOLBY!
So it really looks good for vectorx LG did not smash a logo on their product but being truely certified.
Looking forward to hear from futeko for HiMedias answer.
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A new, very important and disappointing bug.
Very astonishing, that until now nobody recognized this! :o
I myself did not recognize it, because I only have 2 movies with real 1080p resolution and on my Sony TV I always have motionflow switched on.
So I always thought, that the micro stuttering came from the combination player/tv with motionflow switched on.
In the german forum somebody wrote that generally all 1080p movies with 23.976, no matter from which medium played, have micro stuttering all about 40 seconds.
I could not believe it, but tried it, with switching off my motionflow on my Sony TV.
The guy from the german forum uses original Blu-ray m2ts files and I use with MakeMKV "converted" mkv files.
And the result is, that every 1080p movie with 23.976 really has micro stutters all about 40 seconds!
Unbelievable, and even much more unbelievable is, that tester guys like Looun did not recognize that! :(
Please, Futeko, forward this really massive problem as fast as you can to Himedia!
Thank you very much.
BTW Test it on your own, but switch off all your TV's picure improovers like Motionflow a.s.o.
Here the Link http://kodi.wiki/view/Samples (http://kodi.wiki/view/Samples)
Under section 4 download an test the first
1080p @ 23.976 and you will see stuttering all 40-50 seconds
Under section 4 download and test the second
1080p @ 24 and you will see absolutely no stuttering
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The most important thing on that, is all this only happens if you have switched on the 24Hz option.
If you switch off the 24Hz Option, everything runs smooth, but in 60 or 50Hz, dependig on what you have set in the system.
I love my 60Hz with absolut smooth motionflow! ;D
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The most important thing on that, is all this only happens if you have switched on the 24Hz option.
If you switch off the 24Hz Option, everything runs smooth, but in 60 or 50Hz, dependig on what you have set in the system.
I love my 60Hz with absolut smooth motionflow! ;D
How do you switch off the 24Hz option. What option do you use then?
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You can switch 24Hz on/off in the system, or if you play a movie in Kodi via wrapper to Himediaplayer by pressing the menu button, and then Advanced Options.
I for now use 1080p 60Hz without having the 24Hz option switched On.
Everything runs smooth, even the 23.976.
But it runs in 60Hz, what not everybody likes, because they say it would be the Soap Effect.
For me it's the Real life effect, not a soap effect.
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Yes, magnifico, mini freeze is the correct word.
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HDR is not a sure bet either. Recently video guru Joe Kane said he preferred SDR w/the wider color gamut supported within it (vs. HDR). Interesting podcast and discussion here. (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/138-avs-forum-podcasts/2440346-joe-kane-hdr.html)
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I also hope that the next Firmware Release will fix the micro stutterings with 1080p movies @ 23,976Hz!
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Hello,
I don't know if my bugs have allready been reported beacause it's a little bit specific
- I own a Bluedio audio casque (Bluetooth version: V4.1, A2DP, AVRCP, HSP, HFP) and it's nor recognized by the Q10 (not listed so no pairing possible)
- When using the serch field in Play Store for Kodi for example, i just can type 2 letters, (K and O) and the appli crashes if typing another letter after
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Magnifico
There is another fundametal bug with 23.976Hz (90% of all movies are made in 23.976Hz), that if 24Hz Option is turned on, produces Micro Stutter resp. even Mini Freeze all about 40 -50 sec.
In a german forum several people tested it, and confirmed that very sad bug. :(
Please reproduce and post it in you opening thread otherwise we will receive a corrected firmware, the player isn't able to play 23.976Hz without mini freezes!
I cannot understand it, because playing 23.976Hz is so fundamental, that I do not have any words for that bug... :-\
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I cannot understand it, because playing 23.976Hz is so fundamental, that I do not have any words for that bug... :-\
Bug of 42 second drop frame(Micro Stutter) are present in 90% of Android players, and can be consider also TV/Projector bug.
Good example for this are models from Samsung TV H series where not feel this problem and D/J series with annoying feeling of this bug.
HiMedia fix this problems in past year on him mediaplayer let's believe will fix on Q10/Q5 Pro soon.
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I cannot understand it, because playing 23.976Hz is so fundamental, that I do not have any words for that bug... :-\
Bug of 42 second drop frame(Micro Stutter) are present in 90% of Android players, and can be consider also TV/Projector bug.
Good example for this are models from Samsung TV H series where not feel this problem and D/J series with annoying feeling of this bug.
HiMedia fix this problems in past year on him mediaplayer let's believe will fix on Q10/Q5 Pro soon.
there are 2 different thing:
1) true 23,976hz HDMI output:
Himedia Q10 pro can output at 23,97 at FHD and 4k. (http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=795.0)
usually android player can output only 24fps = 24hz.
usually Bluray film and some TV serie are 24P = 24000/1001 = 23,976 fps .
And that means what?
That the Mini Freezes of 23.976 Movies cannot be eliminated on Android Players?
Thats would be Horror, cause 90% of my movies are in 23.976! :o
BTW To circumnavigate this problem, I switched off the 24Hz Option. This is the only way not to have Mini Freezes with 23.976 movies all 42 seconds.
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I cannot understand it, because playing 23.976Hz is so fundamental, that I do not have any words for that bug... :-\
Bug of 42 second drop frame(Micro Stutter) are present in 90% of Android players, and can be consider also TV/Projector bug.
Good example for this are models from Samsung TV H series where not feel this problem and D/J series with annoying feeling of this bug.
HiMedia fix this problems in past year on him mediaplayer let's believe will fix on Q10/Q5 Pro soon.
there are 2 different thing:
1) true 23,976hz HDMI output:
Himedia Q10 pro can output at 23,97 at FHD and 4k. (http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=795.0)
usually android player can output only 24fps = 24hz.
usually Bluray film and some TV serie are 24P = 24000/1001 = 23,976 fps .
And that means what?
99% android player NOT support true 23,976 HDMI output.
There are only 5-7 box: Himedia Q5/M3/Q10 and Q10 Pro, Nvidia shield, wetek core and nimix U1.
All Popular linux box support true 23,976 HDMI output.
All HTPC AMD and Nvida GPU support true 23,976 HDMI output, INTEL only from Broadwell soc.
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Perhaps I should aks you something.
What is the reason for, that some guys from a german forum and me too have 42 sec Mini Freezes? (On my Sony KDL55 Motionflow is deactivated)
You say, it works, we say it does not work, and forward this as 24Hz, what ends up in Mini freezes all 42 seconds.
And now? Whats right, whats wrong?
I was testing with the testpattern (moving stripes from Kodi wiki (1080p 23.976).
Under Section 4, the first one.
Can you tell me, why this testpattern freezes all 42 seconds on my TV, and as it seem on your TV not?
My AVR is a Yamaha RX766.
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Magnifico
There is another fundametal bug with 23.976Hz (90% of all movies are made in 23.976Hz), that if 24Hz Option is turned on, produces Micro Stutter resp. even Mini Freeze all about 40 -50 sec.
In a german forum several people tested it, and confirmed that very sad bug. :(
Please reproduce and post it in you opening thread otherwise we will receive a corrected firmware, the player isn't able to play 23.976Hz without mini freezes!
I cannot understand it, because playing 23.976Hz is so fundamental, that I do not have any words for that bug... :-\
You need to read more carefully ;)
Point #5
- Problem with playback of 24P material. In certain periods there can be seen a short stuttering/freeze.
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No, I read carefully, but now I am talking to Looun.
If I understood him correct, he wrote that Android players aren't able to play 23.976 movies without stuttering/freeze, but the Himendia players should do it correctly, without the freezes.
But thats wrong.
I just tried it directly HDMI to the Sony TV, and the 23.976 pattern cannot be playes stutter/freeze free! >:(
So too the Himedia players f.e the Q10 Pro are NOT able to play 23.976 files without mini freezes.
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24Hz is all bla bla. There is no source for 24hz. This can only be self-created stuff.
There is:
BLU-RAY = 24P = 23.976 Fps
DVD PAL = 25P =25 Fps
DVD NTSC = 29.976Fps
4K Ultra HD BD may also contain 50P = 50 Fps or 60P = 60 Fps. But that is sadly more likely for documentarys.
I once thought foolish hollywood would get rid of this awful 24P shit when moving on to 4K but... >:(
24P does NOT run smooth and saying it does would be embarrassing.
I think he was saying that only few android players are able to play true 24P by hardware. All other boxes need tricks to play 24P as smooth as possible so it does not distract as much as it currently does on Q10pro.
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I think he was saying that only few android players are able to play true 24P by hardware. All other boxes need tricks to play 24P as smooth as possible so it does not distract as much as it currently does on Q10pro.
The Q10 Pro only plays 23.976 smooth (with no Mini freezes) if you switch to 60Hz, and disable the 24Hz Option. Thats the truth.
And the guys who do not like 60 or 50Hz have big problems, because they have mini freezes all 4-50 seconds.
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It is OBVIOUS that we have a different idea of smooth playback.
But that is no big surprise since you are a big lover of FI techniques.
I for one like to keep all those wonder weapons for better viewing OFF ;D
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24Hz is all bla bla. There is no source for 24hz. This can only be self-created stuff.
There is:
BLU-RAY = 24P = 23.976 Fps
No, there are:
bluray at 24fps, only 3 or 4 ;
and lot of live TV or music bluray at 29.970 (30000/1001) fps.
No, I read carefully, but now I am talking to Looun.
If I understood him correct, he wrote that Android players aren't able to play 23.976 movies without stuttering/freeze, but the Himendia players should do it correctly, without the freezes.
But thats wrong.
I just tried it directly HDMI to the Sony TV, and the 23.976 pattern cannot be playes stutter/freeze free! >:(
So too the Himedia players f.e the Q10 Pro are NOT able to play 23.976 files without mini freezes.
no, true HDMI output 23.976 it's big issue for android , because need lot of work to fix the firmware.
Nvidia shield after 1 year with 2.0 firmware have support 23,976
Amlogic soc after 6-12 month.
Himedia Q5/Q10 need 2-3 month to fix the firmware( from 1.0.9 ) without any issue, No stutter or freezes.
Hisilicon V200 it's very new soc and q10 pro is the first android box. Himedia and hisilicon need some time to fix the firmware.
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24Hz is all bla bla. There is no source for 24hz. This can only be self-created stuff.
There is:
BLU-RAY = 24P = 23.976 Fps
No, there are:
bluray at 24fps, only 3 or 4 ;
and lot of live TV or music bluray at 29.970 (30000/1001) fps.
No, I read carefully, but now I am talking to Looun.
If I understood him correct, he wrote that Android players aren't able to play 23.976 movies without stuttering/freeze, but the Himendia players should do it correctly, without the freezes.
But thats wrong.
I just tried it directly HDMI to the Sony TV, and the 23.976 pattern cannot be playes stutter/freeze free! >:(
So too the Himedia players f.e the Q10 Pro are NOT able to play 23.976 files without mini freezes.
no, true HDMI output 23.976 it's big issue for android , because need lot of work to fix the firmware.
Nvidia shield after 1 year with 2.0 firmware have support 23,976
Amlogic soc after 6-12 month.
Himedia Q5/Q10 need 2-3 month to fix the firmware( from 1.0.9 ) without any issue, No stutter or freezes.
Hisilicon V200 it's very new soc and q10 pro is the first android box. Himedia and hisilicon need some time to fix the firmware.
Looun is right, I trust himedia, i like my Q5 4k3D and like the previous gen. in a few month ( may be this fall ) the q10/5 pro will be one of the best android box :)
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Aha, I think, now I understand.
Himedia WILL fix the Firmware in the future, but at the moment it is NOT possible to output real 23.976.
Correct?
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I have the q10pro 2 days now and I must say that I'm not impressed so far. My old Himedia 900b has better PQ in my pioneer plasma fullhd tv. I'm still in the process of setting it up but can't find the right twitches to get the same picture quality as 900b. I understand the importance of kodi and all the other stuff but in the end the main thing i'm concerned is the PQ. Still hope i'm wrong and the machine turn up to be great but for now i'm disappointed. If someone has the right settings please share it with us
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Which videoplayer do you use? Kodi or Himedia?
If Himediaplayer try the Imprex Engine Settings.
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Which videoplayer do you use? Kodi or Himedia?
If Himediaplayer try the Imprex Engine Settings.
I use Himedia player. I haven't install Kodi yet.
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I tried the imprex engine but till now i can't find the picture that matches the quality i have with the 900b
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I'm waiting for the new firmware because there's also an issue with the Greek subs and that's why I haven't installed kodi yet. I'm not rushing things up because i want to set it up right. I just tell that my first impression didn't had the "wow factor" that i hoped . As i wrote before i already have the Himedia 900b that plays excellent without any adjustments at all . I disable the imprex engine and all the filters but the picture isn't what i expected from a new machine with a brand new chip. I'll deal this weekend with the settings and i let you know from Monday.
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In standard settings many TVs have awfull setups.
The are set too bright, too much contrast, too much colour, and of course much too much sharpness.
If you do not calibrate your PC, Laptop and even your beamers and TVs, and you suddenly get a very good player, you are not satisfyed with the picture result.
So first calibrate the TV and then judge the Mediaplayer.
For me the Pro has very good picture quality.
But on the other side, picture quality judgement always is subjective.
Hehe, so, what tha heck is good picture quality? ;)
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As I mention before i only have a full hd tv and without any adjustments in tv or in 900b the picture quality is better so far from q10 pro. I wish i had a 4K tv to test it .I'm open to donations if someone is willing to buy me one 👍
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VPN PPTP
I use vpn connection to map remote share as local one.
after turning off q10 pro, i have to turn vpn on.
there is no option to make it autostart just after lan connection and obtaining data from dhcp ?
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As I mention before i only have a full hd tv and without any adjustments in tv or in 900b the picture quality is better so far from q10 pro. I wish i had a 4K tv to test it .I'm open to donations if someone is willing to buy me one 👍
Another volunteer for donations. ;)
I have the strong feeling Q10 Pro is really optimally tuned for best PQ using upscaling (or native material) to a 4K TV. Just read good stories for that. But for customers just having a 1080P TV the improvement compared to other media players is marginal or not existing. My old Blu Ray players can at least compete easily with Q10 Pro regarding PQ for BD and DVD. ???
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hi,
kindly add the ( purevpn application login issue) and the fact that i can't add any extra language to the on screen keyboard (hardware keyboard) , which only displays English and Chinese.... thanks a lot
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hi,
kindly add the ( purevpn application login issue) and the fact that i can't add any extra language to the on screen keyboard (hardware keyboard) , which only displays English and Chinese.... thanks a lot
Confirm.
I tried that many times in the system settings, and inspite of chosen german keyboard, only english (and chinese) keyboard.
Not real english and chinese, but english and english. It only tells that the second one would be chinese, but the letters are english.
A (little) thing, that does not work, as it should. :-\
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for some reason and after many trials , purevpn login is working fine....
my only remaining issue is adding a language to the awkwardly retro on screen keyboard (hardware keyboard) which can only display English and Chinese , no matter how you try to change the Chinese to another language. hopefully someone can find a solution to such a crucial matter... thanks
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magnifico , it worked. thanks bro , you are the best...
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magnifico , kindly , can you take a look at my post titled (my issues....).?
blessings bro
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Oh, you were talking of the software keyboard.
I am talking of both, the software Q10 Pro keyboard has only englisch, but too my K400, no matter what I set in the system settings only has english charakters, no matter, what I set up in the system settings. >:(
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This is by wrong Settings for sure. check Settings!
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you're right magnifico..... the google keyboard from google store worked like a charm. thanks man
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I removed 2 Points from the Buglist fixed in 1.0.3
Anything else solved?
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I have a Q10 Pro connected to a Pioneer SC-99 receiver, and then to an LG 65EF9500 4K-HDR OLED display. All HDMI ports are at least HDMI 2.0 compatible (I am waiting on firmware upgrade for Pioneer AVR to make its ports HDMI 2.0a compatible). I have set the Q10 Pro to power on last so that all devices are on and it can read a proper EDID from the AVR.
Has anyone noticed that the Q10 Pro does not maintain display resolution on powerup. I set to Q10 Pro Display resolution to 2160p@60Hz, YCbCr 4:2:0-8Bit (to maintain a 300 Mhz signal until I upgrade all my HDMI Cables). Everything works great until I power off the Q10 Pro.
When I restart the Q10 pro the startup screen defaults to 1080i YCrCb 4:4:4-10bit (as reported by the Pioneer AVR). But when it finally switches to the main display it does not reset the resolution back to 2160p. Am I missing something? Is this a bug, or is there an option I need to set to have the Q10Pro resume the prior set Resolution?
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I removed 2 Points from the Buglist fixed in 1.0.3
Anything else solved?
I think the UI Error is something happening only once. Never saw it a second time. With the new FW it again happened only once.
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I have laid my Q10 this weekend to a friend and he found a big gap on some files in VO and there subtitles of times more than 1 second. But in the settings, it is not possible to adjust more than 1 second +/- .... Has someone already seen this problem ?
To be fixed anyway
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I removed 2 Points from the Buglist fixed in 1.0.3
Anything else solved?
I think the UI Error is something happening only once. Never saw it a second time. With the new FW it again happened only once.
If nobody else has problems with system UI with new firmware I try to remember to delete it from the list...in a few days.
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If nobody else has problems with system UI with new firmware I try to remember to delete it from the list...in a few days.
Not a totally impartial report, but I've had a Q10 Pro with latest firmware running for 48 hours without UI error. So I think it's fixed.
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I have a problem with the latest update which came with Power app. Sleep and reboot works but whenever I tried to shut down from this app. it always froze. The power button works well but app. does not power off. I will try to uninstall and reinstall again from google play store if I can find.
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hi magnifico, the message "unfortunately system UI has stopped" occurred only once on 1.0.3
thanks
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I have a problem with the latest update which came with Power app. Sleep and reboot works but whenever I tried to shut down from this app. it always froze. The power button works well but app. does not power off. I will try to uninstall and reinstall again from google play store if I can find.
You must have installed the CS custom firmware because official firmware doesn't have a power app?
That power app doesn't work properly with Q10 Pro. It's discussed in the 1.0.1 custom firmware thread here: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=908.0
I suggest posting in the latest custom firmware thread and asking the firmware creator to remove or replace the app: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=907.0
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anything else than exact 1080p is not recognized as 24P.
You keep saying this, but it's not true. 4K and 1080P auto-switch as expected. Anything below 1080P does not.
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Cropped 1080p (f.e. 1920x800p) too don't autoswitch framerates.
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For auto-switch resolution, 1080p works + 4K works.
The rest is being worked on.
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When we are in Auto Mode (1080P 60P)....
Playing 1080P 24P > Q10pro switched to 1080P 24P PERFECT!
Playing 2160P 24P > Q10pro switches to 1080P 24P (Resolution???)
Playing 2160P 60P ( > Q10pro switches to 1080P 60P HDR 10Bit (Resolution???)
Now switch to 4K Mode....ONLY 2160P 24P/25P/30P are available by shortcut on remote. (50P/60P are only available via Display settings menu)
With my current settings (50P/60P brought just a black screen)
So with setting 2160P 30P:
Everything is played in this setting....just HDR switching will be done if video is HDR.
EXCEPT 24P material....here it switches to 2160P 24P PERFECT!
So going to setting 2160P 25P:
Screen stays black....may be due to my JVC x7000 which does not accect 2160P 25P.
So going to setting 2160P 24P:
2160P 24P > nothing happens unless its HDR video.
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Dude...we are talking about the switching....the stuttering...I call it short freezes is another huge bad thing.
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q10 as other andorid devices has problems with vpn l2tp connection.
i wonder why nobody noticed that.
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Why use vpn ?
simple... i have my server in different location. VPN is only chance to mount remote shares as local ones in order to user wrapper
as pptp is not save enough and does`nt start on boot with andorid , l2tp and 3rd soft for openvpn are options.
anyway, my l2tp vpns are working on iphone, android phones.... and of course with q10 DOESN`T
ps. of ocurse, one can also mount remote smb share on 445 tcp, but honestly, who does that ? of course, with q10 you will not do this directly, becayse q10 expects local netwrok location..
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When we are in Auto Mode (1080P 60P)....
Playing 1080P 24P > Q10pro switched to 1080P 24P PERFECT!
Playing 2160P 24P > Q10pro switches to 1080P 24P (Resolution???)
Playing 2160P 60P ( > Q10pro switches to 1080P 60P HDR 10Bit (Resolution???)
Now switch to 4K Mode....ONLY 2160P 24P/25P/30P are available by shortcut on remote. (50P/60P are only available via Display settings menu)
With my current settings (50P/60P brought just a black screen)
So with setting 2160P 30P:
Everything is played in this setting....just HDR switching will be done if video is HDR.
EXCEPT 24P material....here it switches to 2160P 24P PERFECT!
So going to setting 2160P 25P:
Screen stays black....may be due to my JVC x7000 which does not accect 2160P 25P.
So going to setting 2160P 24P:
2160P 24P > nothing happens unless its HDR video.
Have you ever seen that the X7000 is showing HDR = Yes while playing HDR mkv's?
I have never seen that! To me it looks like the player is not able to pass it correctly through.
What about BT.2020 (DCI)? Are you able to play it?
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I already post this in another thread some time ago but maybe it's better to post it here.
I understand Q10 Pro should support PAL or NTSC modes as in the settings you can set the screen mode to PAL or NTSC (to use Q10 pro with an old TV connected to RCA). But after setting them it doesn't seem to make any difference (I don't see any change on the screen), so it seems there some kind of render bug when using those modes.
I understand that Kodi is always rendered at 1080p, but other application looks wrong too, for example chrome browser or trying to play a video with other applications (like MX Player).
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Well Carl there is nothing HiMedia can do about that I guess, because time is over for such devices.
Everything is optimized for 1080P or at least 720P (when I think of my STB). This looks much better on current devices than vintage display overlays.
Write to the creators of the apps...THEY might be able to help.
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Yes I know that, but the problem I see is the Q10 pro doesn't switch to PAL/NTSC mode although having that option in the settings, so is not just a problem of a particular application.
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What output do you use? Are you connected to the yellow RCA connector?
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Yes I'm using the yellow RCA connector to test NTSC mode.
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After more than a month of smooth sailing with the latest firmware, the "System UI has crashed" annoyance have resurfaced. The last thing I did was installing my 8TB drive.
Now to reflash again the unit.
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Fast Forward doesn't work as it should, if you fast forward greater than x8 the curser along the bottom of the screen doesn't move as it should, much slower. Also when stopping fast forward from x8 or greater it doesn't stop at the point you think you are at but tends to be much further on.
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Fast Forward doesn't work as it should, if you fast forward greater than x8 the curser along the bottom of the screen doesn't move as it should, much slower. Also when stopping fast forward from x8 or greater it doesn't stop at the point you think you are at but tends to be much further on.
Here too...q5 pro
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After more than a month of smooth sailing with the latest firmware, the "System UI has crashed" annoyance have resurfaced. The last thing I did was installing my 8TB drive.
Now to reflash again the unit.
Try Settings - More - Apps - All - 3 dots on the top - Reset app preference
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Thanks for the tip bro, done the reflash already. Will test it when the annoyance will resurface again.
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There will be a new firmware this week which will be a big improvement. We have been testing the beta.
system UI error fixed.
Samba password wrapper fixed.
Interface cleaner.
Big performance boost - much snappier throughout.
<1080p 23.976. not fixed in beta but we are promised it will be in final. upscale to 1080p23.976.
Full auto frame rate switching for Himedia player (and himedia player and wrapper) is on the verge of being fixed courtesy of pcristi/looun. There is a working test version. This also fixes <1080p 23.976 so even if Himedia don't fix it, it will be fixed. This is FULL switching. i.e. 25/50 fps -> 50hz. 30/60 fps -> 60hz. 23,976 fps -> 23,976hz. 24 Fps -> 24 Hz. 29.970/59.940 Fps -> 59.940 Hz.
We have been told by HiMedia that the elusive 'microstuttering' problem will also be fixed within a couple of weeks. It was difficult to nail down. This may or may not be in new firmware.
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thx for the info.
firmware ist still in its early stages, but it is the best kodi system i ever owned... and i've been using kodi/xbmc for 12 years.
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Than you have never used a Mede8er-Box. That is a player. Kodi is a construction site
@futeko
What about the auto switching from 1080p to 2160p? If I switch manually to 2160p, although displays of TV in 2160, but that's never ever 4K. When I play a 4K video directly on the TV via USB, the picture is much sharper. All my devices are capable of reproducing 4k 60hz. The cables also.
From where did we get the new firmware? OTA?
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Than you have never used a Mede8er-Box. That is a player. Kodi is a construction site
@futeko
What about the auto switching from 1080p to 2160p? If I switch manually to 2160p, although displays of TV in 2160, but that's never ever 4K. When I play a 4K video directly on the TV via USB, the picture is much sharper. All my devices are capable of reproducing 4k 60hz. The cables also.
From where did we get the new firmware? OTA?
Auto-switch to 2160p for 4K content should work. Android OS is in 1080p but when 4K video is played HDMI output will switch to 4K.
The new firmware will be OTA. You'll get a pop up notification on the box.
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Hello and thank you. Okay, I'll wait and see. :)
But Auto Switch does not work. Is Auto switch set in the setting on and I play a UHD-Video, then the on-screen information from my TV LG 75UH855V displayed only 1080P.
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Hello and thank you. Okay, I'll wait and see. :)
But Auto Switch does not work. Is Auto switch set in the setting on and I play a UHD-Video, then the on-screen information from my TV LG 75UH855V displayed only 1080P.
The same for me, 4K-UHD demo files get played in 1080p, not 2160p
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Please wait for next firmware (should be this week). I expect this to be resolved.