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Product Support => HiMedia Q5/Q10 4K3D => Topic started by: steved on June 21, 2015, 03:54:47 PM
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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the new firmware for the Q10 seems to have introduced 3D ghosting on iso files that use framepacking. I use a Sony amp and Epson 3D Projector..and until recently did not have this problem.
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yes quote, from this release 1.0.9 there is a little problem of Ghosting/flickering with full 3d iso.
the q5 until 1.0.7 have very nice 3d playback( with some stutter ) the best player i have try much better PCH A400, 3d image was stable without Ghosting and flickering .
from 1.0.9 have perfect 23,976 playback 2d and 3d ,but with 3d when there is more action on movie ( fast moving ) there are Ghosting and flickering ,if there is white background is more visible.
it' very hard to explain try to shot same photo:
see write "street ...... platform", with 3d glass are still double
(http://s14.postimg.org/7z7f0hwr5/20150621_231037.jpg)
man in front of have tre face.., with 3d glass have ghost face
(http://s30.postimg.org/4hgidzqht/20150621_232240.jpg)
ninja turtle have shadows still 3d glasses
(http://s21.postimg.org/u77mlq87r/20150621_232042.jpg)
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Yes I agree when I first got my box I was raving to my family and friends how superb the himedia 3d playback was I even played a superb 3d clip I have where some of the objects come out the screen and dance right in front of your face with no ghosting. But now the same clip is not nearly as impressive as it was. It's as if all the tweaks in the new firmware has somehow lost some of the 3d quality.
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yesterday i have seen project almanac remux during playback there is also some Ghosting flickering and drop audio.
Firmware 1.0.9 have introducing 23,976 but there is some little bug. :o
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So, the regular 1.0.9 remains best I guess as we have 23.976 and proper (no ghosting) 3D w/the key bug being playback of 3D ISO's starting at 720p (and having to manually switch to 1080p).
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have you tried 1.0.9 from the latvian forum?
please feedback
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So, the regular 1.0.9 remains best I guess as we have 23.976 and proper (no ghosting) 3D w/the key bug being playback of 3D ISO's starting at 720p (and having to manually switch to 1080p).
No......the 3D Ghosting has been present since 1.0.8 in my case...
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Hmm, I haven't noticed any ghosting in any release prior to 1.0.9.1. looun or Caramba69, what about you guys?
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have you tried 1.0.9 from the latvian forum?
please feedback
Got a link so we can check out?
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Hmm, I haven't noticed any ghosting in any release prior to 1.0.9.1. looun or Caramba69, what about you guys?
It could be possible that not knowing at the time about the 720p frame packing bug may have lead me to believe I was watching a poor 1080p film when in fact it was only 720p. So yes maybe the ghosting has been introduced by fixing this bug in 1.0.9.1..
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Hmm, I haven't noticed any ghosting in any release prior to 1.0.9.1. looun or Caramba69, what about you guys?
i not test use 3d with 1.0.8,because there is a bug .
I downgrade to 1.0.7 for see the difference and there is, not in all movie (i try 10 ) buy in most of case you can see.
so :
1.0.7:
- 23.976 some stutter
- no audio dropoff
- no 3d ghost
- lite flickering ( fast moving sequences )
- 1.0.9.1:
- 23.976 no stutter
- some audio dropoff
- 3d ghost
- more flickering ( fast moving sequences )
we hope
1.0.10:
- 23.976 no stutter
- no audio dropoff
- no 3d ghost
PS no flickering i think impossible, only with new 48fps
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looun what size screen do you use. Would using a projector with 100" screen produce more noticeable ghosting when present.
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TV Panasonic plasma 3D 50GT30 with THX picture quality (medium contrast ) .
i see noticeable ghosting when there black and white contrast (es:white background with moving person )
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I can confirm the issues in regard to 3D ghosting and audio drop outs in the latest firmware either.
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himedia replay "We tested 3D movie AVATAR and TRANSFORMER,but didn't see the Ghost effect." ???
which film have you tested?
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In my case every 3D film (iso with framepacking) that I have tried including AVATAR and Transformers..
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after being on holiday for a while I have tried 3D again using 1.9.1 on there is definitely a problem with ghosting...maybe this is because their is NO 3D Depth adjustment controls available in the Himedia Internal Player. I used to own a Himedia 900B and when this control was used I could eliminate Ghosting to a very low level by adjusting the 3D depth up or down to suit each film.
Is it possible that this is now fixed at a new level..
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So, I figured out the ghosting issue, at least in my case. The culprit? Type of 3D glasses used. I've let HiMedia know and asked them to test at their end. I have 3 brands/type of DLP-link glasses I use with my 3D projector, and depending on which 3D ISO I tried, one pair of glasses exhibited ghosting (very noticeable), while others looked perfect. Other movies, all 3 sets of glasses looked fine.
Those of you seeing ghosting, if you have more than one brand or type of 3D glasses, can you please test. Thanks.
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Myself I only have the Epson 3D glasses and for me there was no ghosting in the original firmware but since applying the latest versions however the ghosting has appeared and very severe in some films. It's already well documented that some non original glasses can either improve or worsen a 3d movie experience. So with that in mind I don't think it's glasses as mine have not changed from when I first bought the himedia and I feel it's the wrapper that may the problem even though this is an excellent feature
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I don't know. Glasses shouldn't matter, but in my tests with 'Avatar' and a few other random 3D ISO's, they did on Q5. I'd immediately notice the ghosting with a certain pair, then put on a different pair, and no ghosting. With Raspberry Pi2 and the latest Kodi 16 builds, testing MVC MKV's, glasses made no difference, which is how it should be. There's something funky going on. Hope the engineers looun & I are in contact with test further with different 3D displays, glasses and firmware combinations.
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Okay great. I forgot to mention that my Epson is an LCD projector and not DLP would that make a difference ? Also the Epson glasses I believe run at 480hz could that be another factor which may then also make things seem like the glasses are at fault if they only run at say 240Hz
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Well, HiMedia engineers have replied and said they "tried different TVs with different glasses, but didn't see the issue." Don't know where that leaves us. It is hard to show this issue in photos, so other than seeing the ghosting issue for yourself, don't know how we can convey it.
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Yes I think you maybe right and I am not sure how to convince them neither. I just know that I have one particular favourite 3D video where 3 or 4 objects literally dance around the room and appear to dance close to your face this is very impressive to watch and shows how good 3D can be when done properly. When I first bought the Q10 this video had been perfect with no ghosting and very crisp bright images. However now I can very clearly see a ghosting on each side of each object and is not as impressive.
Maybe you could ask them to run some test on a projector screen up to 100".
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Will suggest that as I'm viewing on a 133" screen. The other issue that's bothersome is audio dropouts, which I noticed last night while watching a 2D MKV with standard DTS. It was happening like every 10 minutes.
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I have had a similar thing with audio to the point that I powered down the unit and re-started. this appeared to work and the dropouts stopped. I think maybe the dropouts are more a Kodi issue ?
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Not a Kodi issue as we're relying on HiMediaPlayer (via wrapper) vs. Kodi's DVDPlayer.
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so you don't get dropouts when viewing with the Kodi DVD player ?. I must admit I don't suffer dropouts myself when using the Himedia player. Do you still get dropouts if you play the direct and not via kodi/wrapper ??
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Not w/Kodi's internal player, but you lose 23.976 and HD audio. With HiMediaPlayer and audio dropouts, I had not noticed until recently as well, but I had not had time to use my Q5 much either. I think the issue got introduced with the 23.976 fix recently.
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suppose its possible that the 23.976 fix as also caused the 3D Ghosting issues that some of us may be having too.
noticed its been a while since the last update too so maybe they are working hard at Himedia to solve these minor issues before releasing the next update 10 ??
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Had another go at fixing my 3D ghosting issue tonight and spent an hour trying every possible depth setting on my Epson projector but after sometime I concluded that if I concentrate on details in the background this then makes the features in the foreground much worse. This also applies if I try front to back. I don't seem able to get an happy middle ground where both fore and rear images are the same and free of ghosting. Starting to think maybe my projector is faulty. However I do also feel that a lack of depth controls on the Himedia player itself maybe another factor
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looun reported he noticed ghosting as well, but it would be good for others to test and report back, and name which displays and glasses combos they used.
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No Ghosting here, latest firmware (it says 1.0.9 but recently purchased from here so should be latest yes?)
I use g15 glasses and an Optoma HD151X (onto grey screen wall)
Tried a few 3D Iso'd inc Frozen, Titanic and Edge Of Tomorrow :D :D
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Thanks for checking. BTW, any audio dropouts while watching 3D or 2D 23.976 content (this issue I do have)?
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What content would be 23.976 to check? I do not HD Audio btw
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I have the Q5quad and no ghosting . If I gosting is it on film .
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Any audio dropouts Marvel.? Ghosting appears to be dependant on the equipment you're using..
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No , it all goes perfectly with me . I have audio only drops when I change the time at Audio Device Keep Alive I should be only used it to 1 minute let
*Sorry for my english
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What content would be 23.976 to check? I do not HD Audio btw
Any Blu-ray rip.
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Does anyone know of a way that I can check if my projector is at fault when it comes to 3D Ghosting issues (ie: can it be configured or a test run to proof its okay or not for 3D video.
It seems to me looking at the replies that most people don't have a problem with ghosting so it must be my equipment that's at fault, maybe even the HDMI lead or the amp ?? is this possible.
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Perhaps try a bluray player with a 3D disc..?
Maybe you know someone who could lend you one for a couple of hours.?
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Has it happens I do own a 3D Blu-ray player which I haven't used for maybe 3 years..which I will try later thanks.
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What content would be 23.976 to check? I do not HD Audio btw
Any Blu-ray rip.
My 3D Iso's say 1080 24 though???
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looun reported he noticed ghosting as well, but it would be good for others to test and report back, and name which displays and glasses combos they used.
i have TV Panasonic plasma 3D 50GT30 and active 3d glasess
What content would be 23.976 to check? I do not HD Audio btw
Any Blu-ray rip.
My 3D Iso's say 1080 24 though???
all blueray disc is 1080p at 23.976 , usually TV report 24p/24hz or true cinema "label" for simplify .
where do yuo see "24" ?
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My projector comes up as 1080p 24hz when I play Iso (3D)
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Has it happens I do own a 3D Blu-ray player which I haven't used for maybe 3 years..which I will try later thanks.
Okay Success tried my 3D Blu-ray player last night (even dragged my wife in too watch also) and can confirm NO Ghosting which proves the projector is okay and not faulty. This only backups my hunch that the Himedia Player with certain equipment can cause ghosting. I am sure Himedia need to do more test to solve the issue.
One thing I can confirm is that the issue is more present when viewing 3D material when the images come out of the screen. I say this because most 3D films are in fact more like 3D Depth movies where the effect of 3D is like looking through a window into the film. A good 3D movie when done to full affect has some of the objects appearing to come right out of the screen and into your Theatre/Sitting Room. This is exactly the type of 3D that is giving me a real problem.. I can also confirm that this issue was not present before updating to the latest firmware from January onwards.
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Bulbs do get dimmer with age (at least certain types), doubt it would cause the ghosting though.
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Hmm yes maybe you are right, tried using the projector brightness and contrast controls but it makes no difference at all. Also the lamp hrs is only about 1200hrs which is well below the stated lamp life of 4000 hrs.
I did try changing the projector screen size settings from 110" to 80" and this seem to improve things vastly, however when I changed to another 3D film it was even worse so ended up back at 110" settings. Then I noticed something weird happen when changing the screen size followed by the depth settings the sides of the picture on screen shrank in to leave a 1 inch black border and the ghosting went completely....but when stopping the movie and restarting the screen was back to normal and the ghosting was back. Could there be an HDMI Over scan bug with the Q10 as its the only way I can explain this happening. Also noticed that the Q10 displays a 3D logo in the corner when starting a film but its always very slightly off screen in the top left corner no matter what screen settings I use..
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Watched a few 3d films last night and also found that the 3d performance is lacking. Tried sbs, OU and Bluray iso. Ghosting is random but definately present pretty much at some point during playback. Another issue i have found and this appears to b random but i found that on many titles there is a band of about -2 cm's on each side of the screen where the 3d is out of focus and significant ghosting which makes it very hard to watch 3d as you tend to get distracted by these out of focus parts of the screen. This is only happening on the himedia and not via any other 3d source.
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An example of what i mean is attached. WHat im finding as well as random ghosting within the main image, is that the edges of the image get a very serious ghost as shown in the images attached. You can see what is a double line in the first image. When you see this its as if the edge of the screen is curving in 3d and is very hard to look at. Now i stress this issue comes and goes depending on each scene. So i dont know if it has something to do with objects on screen and how the player is interpretting the level of 3d depth. This is from Age of Ultron BD iso on a LG 60" 3d panel. 3d from any other source is flawless.
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Hi Hazzad,
Yes I have very similar adverse effects on my 100" projector screen but had hoped that the new version of firmware 3.0.1 would have fixed this with the inclusion of the latest Himedia Ineternal Player version. However although this is implemented into the M3 firmware it seems to be lacking from the Q10 firmware and we are still stuck with the OLD version..
I have asked Futeko to check why ? but have not received an answer yet.
Myself I am convinced the problem is something to do HDMI overscan interference by the player
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Hi Futeko,
Can you please ask Himedia why the Q10 version of the HimediaVideoPlayer (internal player used by the wrapper) is only 0706? release but the M3 (also by Himedia) is now 0826 release.
There seems to be a considerable difference in version numbers between the 2 mediaplayers and may be why we are still having considerable 3d play back problems on the Q10. As you can see from the amount of views and replies on the topic it has to be one of Himedia's top priorities to put right if they are to continue what is still undoubtedly be best 3D player to date..
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Hi!
Can anyone confirm if the problem of ghosting 3D ISO was removed with the latest 3.0.1.1 firmware??
I am interested in this player, but I worry about the ghosting
Thanks!
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Hi Futeko,
Can you please ask Himedia why the Q10 version of the HimediaVideoPlayer (internal player used by the wrapper) is only 0706? release but the M3 (also by Himedia) is now 0826 release.
There seems to be a considerable difference in version numbers between the 2 mediaplayers and may be why we are still having considerable 3d play back problems on the Q10. As you can see from the amount of views and replies on the topic it has to be one of Himedia's top priorities to put right if they are to continue what is still undoubtedly be best 3D player to date..
Sorry for not addressing this last week. Busy at end of week.
Skype is down this morning (globally - first time I've ever known it to be) so I can't ask Himedia quickly why M3 himedia player app is later version. Have just tried installing M3 player app onto Q5 and it won't install, so maybe incompatible somehow. Better answer tomorrow.
I'll feed the ghosting info back to Himedia, although they have investigated it thoroughly since it first became an issue in the Spring. They can't find anything that might be causing it, and can't consistently reproduce the problem. Some users don't experience it at all whereas others get it a lot. hazzad's photo is interesting because it is solid evidence of a problem. It will be forwarded to Himedia.
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Thanks Futeko.
I also tried installing the M3 player app onto my Q10 and found the same problem.
I remember when I first bought my Q10 (may have been one of the first to buy) after waiting for them to come in, I was over the moon with the overall quality including 3D playback which was 100% . So in my view they did have the playback on the Internal player spot on from the start, however since introducing the wrapper and other fixes they seem to have inadvertently lost the original settings for playback which is a shame.
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So, to confirm, M3 player does not have the ghosting issue?
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Himedia say the new app will be in the next Q5/Q10 firmware. They won't tell me why it's not in 3.0.1 Q5/Q10.
I have forwarded the ghosting image to their technical team.
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So, to confirm, M3 player does not have the ghosting issue?
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I have not tried the M3 with 3D so I'm not sure myself.
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Okay managed to try 3D on my M3 via my tv in the lounge and saw very little ghosting so yes I guess the newest version of Himedia internal player is a big improvement