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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: nmou88 on December 08, 2016, 11:23:00 PM

Title: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 08, 2016, 11:23:00 PM
If I set the resolution output of the q10 pro to 2160p, will it upscale everything under this resolution ? If yes, how to desactivate it ? Is my TV (hisense xt910) upscaling too ?
Thanx to reply
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: netguru on December 09, 2016, 08:44:16 AM
Sure,

if youre TV is the better uspcaler (which i think it is), so choose 1080p 60hz Output and 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 8 Bit.

If  youre looking a 4k Movie or something similar, choose 2160p 24hz 4:4:4
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 09, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
I dont want to switch every time, is there a way to desactive the box upscaling (application or whatever)
And I want ycbcr but I cant set YcBcr 420 8 or 10 if the resolution is not 2160p60 ...
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: pcristi on December 10, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
From safety reason change resolution from HDMI 2.0 2160p60 to HDMI 1.4 1080p24 can't be done in automatic mode.
This maybe can be done with extra dialog to confirm can see image and not go in permanent HDMI no signal.
Anyway this process can take up to 15 seconds witch for majority of user not is too much for Video clips / TV Show.

I dont want to switch every time, is there a way to desactive the box upscaling (application or whatever)
And I want ycbcr but I cant set YcBcr 420 8 or 10 if the resolution is not 2160p60 ...
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 11, 2016, 12:59:21 AM
You mean that there is no other way to disable upscaling
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 12, 2016, 12:58:03 AM
Does another video application (compatible with uhd hdr10) that can auto switch the resolution or disable the upscaling from the q10 pro from any way exists  ?
Say yes please  :-\
And what is "hdmi auto adaptation" ? Does this fonction switch the box to the video resolution automatically  ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: futeko.com on December 12, 2016, 10:34:58 AM
Auto resolution switching cannot be done from Q5/Q10 Pro.

HDMI auto adaptation lets the box decide what is the optimum resolution for your TV at boot (not on the fly per video). I don't advise using it if you know what resolution you want the box to output in.

If you want 4K then set resolution to 2160P 60Hz or 24Hz and Q5/Q10 Pro will upscale lower resolutions.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 13, 2016, 12:38:13 AM
Auto resolution switching cannot be done from Q5/Q10 Pro.

HDMI auto adaptation lets the box decide what is the optimum resolution for your TV at boot (not on the fly per video). I don't advise using it if you know what resolution you want the box to output in.

If you want 4K then set resolution to 2160P 60Hz or 24Hz and Q5/Q10 Pro will upscale lower resolutions.
Will there be an option in future update that let the user desactivate the upscaling  ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: futeko.com on December 13, 2016, 09:05:45 AM
Will there be an option in future update that let the user desactivate the upscaling  ?

If you mean that the player would switch HDMI resolution to the same as video for each video then it has been requested, but no guarantee that it will happen.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: netguru on December 13, 2016, 09:17:45 AM
That would be perfect!

Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: Nice Monkey on December 13, 2016, 02:01:44 PM
Will there be an option in future update that let the user desactivate the upscaling  ?

If you mean that the player would switch HDMI resolution to the same as video for each video then it has been requested, but no guaranteed that it will happen.
There are truckloads of videos with non-standard resolutions. Therefore (local) scaling to the best-fit/set standard is a very common practice. There are many problems with auto frame-rate but auto resolution even has a lot more variables to deal with. Many communities looked at it and gave up.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: futeko.com on December 13, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
There are truckloads of videos with non-standard resolutions. Therefore (local) scaling to the best-fit/set standard is a very common practice. There are many problems with auto frame-rate but auto resolution even has a lot more variables to deal with. Many communities looked at it and gave up.

I agree with that. It would be nice to have as an option, but implementation would be inherently unsatisfactory.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: hanspampel on December 13, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
A solution like the "autoresolution plugin" like on enigma 2 boxes would be perfect. But i dont think it will ever happen. :-X
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 13, 2016, 10:57:35 PM
I wasnt talking about resolution switching but just about desactive the upscaling process ...
I heard that zidoo x9s got that option so why the himedia doesnt ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: hanspampel on December 14, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
It ist the same, or how you will be watch 4k movies in 4k and 1080p movies in 1080p? ;) On every switch between 2k and 4k the device will change his resolution too. There is no "native" output yet. You only get what you set in settings. Only dynamic switches between the frequencies of any reslolution works. Most of the time.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 14, 2016, 12:40:34 AM
Does the tv upscale 1080p videos if the box already does it  ?
If not, then if I understand good, there is just one solution : switch the resolution every time I wanna play 4k or 2k videos if I want the tv to upscale, that's it ?
My tv is hisense xt910, is the upscaling of the q10 pro as good as the hisense if you know ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: onyxx1995 on December 14, 2016, 04:38:03 AM
Does the tv upscale 1080p videos if the box already does it  ?
If not, then if I understand good, there is just one solution : switch the resolution every time I wanna play 4k or 2k videos if I want the tv to upscale, that's it ?
My tv is hisense xt910, is the upscaling of the q10 pro as good as the hisense if you know ?
If you watch 4k,put himedia resolution to 2160p-there is no upscalling.
If you watch 2k:put himedia resolution to 2160p-himedia will do upscalling to 4k.
                               put himedia resolution to 1080p-TV will do upscalling to 4k.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: Nice Monkey on December 14, 2016, 08:58:34 AM
I wasnt talking about resolution switching but just about desactive the upscaling process ...
I heard that zidoo x9s got that option so why the himedia doesnt ?
I am not familiar with such a feature on X9S and I do own one.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 14, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
I wasnt talking about resolution switching but just about desactive the upscaling process ...
I heard that zidoo x9s got that option so why the himedia doesnt ?
I am not familiar with such a feature on X9S and I do own one.

Someone told me that, well I guess I didnt understand good what he was saying ...
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 18, 2016, 11:06:08 PM
Will the "YcBcr 420" mode be avalaible for 1080p in the 2.0.1 new firmware ?
Also, is the 1080p upscaling of the q10 pro in good quality ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 19, 2016, 10:19:17 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: futeko.com on December 20, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
Yes upscaling is good quality.

YCbCr420 is a feature of HDMI 2.0 so I'm not if it will be ever be supported for 1080p system resolution.
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 27, 2016, 12:37:20 AM
If I put ycbcr 444 10 bit or ycbcr 422 while playing ycbcr 420 video file, what will happen ? The box will upscale the signal to ycbcr 444 or 422 ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: Mount81 on December 27, 2016, 05:45:15 AM
Colourspace is a good question. This is the official chart: http://blog.toonormal.com/2014/01/10/4k-hdmi-and-deep-color/ (http://blog.toonormal.com/2014/01/10/4k-hdmi-and-deep-color/) it says that 4:2:2 isn't supported on lower than 12bit, but there's also this one: http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=hdmi2faq (http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=hdmi2faq)-> which seams a bit more correct, as you can also test, that it can be set to 4:2:2 on any Hz and the output will be 8 bit.

Answer above: in the case of 4:2:0 8bit source you can get 4:2:2 8bit output and yes, it's being "upscaled" by the player. "Native" 4:2:0 only supported on 50 and 60Hz and only on 4K resolution...
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: nmou88 on December 28, 2016, 01:07:17 AM
I presume it also upscale to 444 then, no ?
Also is the depth upsambled by the box if I set 10 bit and I play 8 bit video ?
Title: Re: Upscaling
Post by: Mount81 on December 28, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
I presume it also upscale to 444 then, no ?
Also is the depth upsambled by the box if I set 10 bit and I play 8 bit video ?

Yes it should work that way. In theory 4:2:2 setting would be the best (less upscaling) for 4:2:0 8bit videos, but better if you try and see what seams better in PQ for your eyes...