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Ongoing Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: edy732001@yahoo.com on March 13, 2016, 11:26:33 AM

Title: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: edy732001@yahoo.com on March 13, 2016, 11:26:33 AM
I want to update my HiMedia Q5 to Q5/Q10 pro because of DSD player capabilities. It will be able to play SACD-ISO format or just .DFF , .DSF? It will output DSD native or DoP? Multichanell or stereo?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: futeko.com on March 14, 2016, 11:12:56 AM
I have requested an answer from HiMedia and will post it here when we have it.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: jx on April 26, 2016, 02:15:10 AM
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on April 26, 2016, 04:05:51 AM
It is in Beta stage now. Many things not implemented yet and lots of bugs to be fixed. If firmware releases come out quick addressing those gradually then it should be fine. we need to wait and see for that.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on April 26, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
I have attached my DSD capable DAC via USB and can confir its plays DSD . DoP or Native seems dependent on App and Hardware.

Mine playing DSD128 via DoP in Neutron MP. Cannot access settings on UAPP, Onkyo HF and Hiby.

Here is a pic using my Geek Pulse Infinity playing a DSD128 file using Neutron MP

(https://d1jesv1uvhg9i4.cloudfront.net/0/0b/900x900px-LL-0b66bd10_67aca99.jpeg)
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: jx on April 26, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
I have attached my DSD capable DAC via USB and can confir its plays DSD . DoP or Native seems dependent on App and Hardware.
yep, of course, I had seen your interesting post about this test but I meant SACD / DSD output out-of-the-box w/out any USB DAC (which probably costs xx times the price of the Q10, doesn'it? ;))
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: jx on April 26, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
It is in Beta stage now. Many things not implemented yet and lots of bugs to be fixed. If firmware releases come out quick addressing those gradually then it should be fine. we need to wait and see for that.
I can understand this BUT futeko should not advertise this as long as it is not implemented, then (and/or put a remark *** in a future firmware release).
(imo)
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: UHD on April 26, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
I have attached my DSD capable DAC via USB and can confir its plays DSD . DoP or Native seems dependent on App and Hardware.

Mine playing DSD128 via DoP in Neutron MP. Cannot access settings on UAPP, Onkyo HF and Hiby.


I am unable to play multichanel 5.1 DSD 128 though ... are you ?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: futeko.com on April 27, 2016, 10:43:39 AM
I can understand this BUT futeko should not advertise this as long as it is not implemented, then (and/or put a remark *** in a future firmware release).
(imo)

I fully agree.

We asked HiMedia specifically about this and they said it was supported. That it isn't is a surprise to us.

We have mentioned it to HiMedia and they're looking into it. When I have more info I'll post it here.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on April 27, 2016, 11:43:17 AM

I am unable to play multichanel 5.1 DSD 128 though ... are you ?

Nope (due to hardware limitation), I have a stereo DAC not multi channel. Although I have multichannel SACD materials all the way to DSD256. I could be able to play multichannel DSD but output is still Stereo.

Tried the test also.

Removed my DAC and played thru the Internal Media Player and Neutron some .dsd , .dff and sacd-iso materials: NADA (for now, for they say a firmware upgrade is in the works)

The internal Media Player can't also see the files. Neutron can't play it.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: stack on May 29, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
Hi futeko, did you received any answer about SACD Iso play?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on May 30, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
The Q10 Pro does play high bit-rate FLAC files, including 88.2Khz (from SACD) and also 192Khz (from Blu-ray Pure Audio) as I have tested these when I finally got bitstreaming to work correctly (with the latest firmware).

It is a simple process to convert from SACD .iso image to lossless FLAC at the same bitrate using FooBar add-in. 
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: stack on May 30, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
It was announced that the player will support SACD.iso, so any additional conversation to flac is nonsense for me.
It will be better to add iso support in next firmware as it should be.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on May 30, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
The Q10 Pro does play high bit-rate FLAC files, including 88.2Khz (from SACD) and also 192Khz (from Blu-ray Pure Audio) as I have tested these when I finally got bitstreaming to work correctly (with the latest firmware).

It is a simple process to convert from SACD .iso image to lossless FLAC at the same bitrate using FooBar add-in.

Yes but DSD is lost that way. You may not believe in the method but it is available on the source.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on May 30, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
The Q10 Pro does play high bit-rate FLAC files, including 88.2Khz (from SACD) and also 192Khz (from Blu-ray Pure Audio) as I have tested these when I finally got bitstreaming to work correctly (with the latest firmware).

It is a simple process to convert from SACD .iso image to lossless FLAC at the same bitrate using FooBar add-in.

Yes it plays lossless FLAC files, but only Stereo files NOT multichannel FLAC files. And it does some processing (at least KODI does) so multi-channel DTS encoded CD's in  FLAC stereo format also do not play correctly. Am I missing something in the System or Kodi setup to make this work?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on May 30, 2016, 02:15:37 PM
The Q10 Pro does play high bit-rate FLAC files, including 88.2Khz (from SACD) and also 192Khz (from Blu-ray Pure Audio) as I have tested these when I finally got bitstreaming to work correctly (with the latest firmware).

It is a simple process to convert from SACD .iso image to lossless FLAC at the same bitrate using FooBar add-in.

Yes it plays lossless FLAC files, but only Stereo files NOT multichannel FLAC files. And it does some processing (at least KODI does) so multi-channel DTS encoded CD's in  FLAC stereo format also do not play correctly. Am I missing something in the System or Kodi setup to make this work?

Using Media Center it plays also MCH FLAC files. Nothing changed with new firmware here. Tested several files with different formats. Using standard Music Payer and also Total Commanders build in Music Player.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on May 30, 2016, 02:32:28 PM

Using Media Center it plays also MCH FLAC files. Nothing changed with new firmware here. Tested several files with different formats. Using standard Music Payer and also Total Commanders build in Music Player.

You are right, sorry... it does play lossless Multichannel FLAC files using the Media Center. Unfortunately it doesn't play these files using Kodi, which is what I would use to access my music library.

But it still must be modifying the lossless FLAC file somehow since my Pioneer SC-99 doesn't detect the DTS Encoded CD information in a lossless FLAC stereo stream. Those same stereo lossless FLAC files are play fine (with DTS Multichannel decoding) with the Dune Player (including the recently release Dune HD Solo 4K) and the Popcorn Hour (including the VTen).
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: looun on May 30, 2016, 02:54:30 PM

Using Media Center it plays also MCH FLAC files. Nothing changed with new firmware here. Tested several files with different formats. Using standard Music Payer and also Total Commanders build in Music Player.

You are right, sorry... it does play lossless Multichannel FLAC files using the Media Center. Unfortunately it doesn't play these files using Kodi, which is what I would use to access my music library.

But it still must be modifying the lossless FLAC file somehow since my Pioneer SC-99 doesn't detect the DTS Encoded CD's in a lossless FLAC stereo stream (which the Dune Player can play fine including the recently release Dune HD Solo 4K).

i have playback DTS audio 5.1 CD( wave file ) like: enigma, pinkfloyd ecc..  without problem.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on May 30, 2016, 03:26:14 PM

Yes it plays lossless FLAC files, but only Stereo files NOT multichannel FLAC files. And it does some processing (at least KODI does) so multi-channel DTS encoded CD's in  FLAC stereo format also do not play correctly. Am I missing something in the System or Kodi setup to make this work?

Media Player definitely plays 5.1 FLAC files.  Have not tried Kodi but it should if the wrapper is installed correctly?
It also will play a Blu-ray Pure Audio .iso file with 192Khz audio (as well as the 5.1 FLAC rip from the same disk of Beck's Sea Change).
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on May 30, 2016, 09:12:55 PM

i have playback DTS audio 5.1 CD( wave file ) like: enigma, pinkfloyd ecc..  without problem.

Correct, if you actually play the original WAV file, the information is sent to the AVR and the DTS MultiChannel is decoded properly. However you should be able to change that WAV file into a lossless Flac or  ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) file and the AVR should still recognize that the audio stream is a 41,100 Hz DTS-encoded  Audio stream and decode it properly into 5.1 sound. Both the Dune Players and Popcorn Hour players successfully do this since they either passthrough the original lossless file to the AVR or they decode the lossless Flac or ALAC files into straight PCM without any processing. The AVR then sees the DTS encoding and plays the files correctly. I am basically implying that the Q10 Pro does not losslessly convert those FLAC files to PCM, but actually modifies them somehow (changing the volume or sampling frequency) so the AVR no longer recognizes the DTS 5.1 encoding.

Now back to the original discussion in this thread... the Q10 Pro current cannot decode DSF files (from SACD's), nor can it passthrough the original DSF files to my AVR untouched. Yes, you can convert the DSF files into lossless Flac. My conversion software's output sample rate is set to 192 kHz  to make the conversion as close to the original as possible using the encoding power of my MacPro. But if the Q10 Pro cannot send the Flac file losslessly (or a PCM lossless copy of the Flac file) to my AVR, but processes it on-the-fly, it introduces enough sonic differences that make a difference when I hear them, and certainly causes the receiver not to recognize the stream as a DTS 5.1 encoded CD.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on May 30, 2016, 09:20:10 PM

Media Player definitely plays 5.1 FLAC files.  Have not tried Kodi but it should if the wrapper is installed correctly?
It also will play a Blu-ray Pure Audio .iso file with 192Khz audio (as well as the 5.1 FLAC rip from the same disk of Beck's Sea Change).

I have installed the latest version of the Q10 Pro wrapper. So the wrapper currently must not be set to recognize different audio formats and play them back properly.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: stack on May 30, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
The Q10 Pro does play high bit-rate FLAC files, including 88.2Khz (from SACD) and also 192Khz (from Blu-ray Pure Audio) as I have tested these when I finally got bitstreaming to work correctly (with the latest firmware).

It is a simple process to convert from SACD .iso image to lossless FLAC at the same bitrate using FooBar add-in.

You mean to convert it directly in Q10pro?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: looun on May 30, 2016, 11:05:09 PM

Media Player definitely plays 5.1 FLAC files.  Have not tried Kodi but it should if the wrapper is installed correctly?
It also will play a Blu-ray Pure Audio .iso file with 192Khz audio (as well as the 5.1 FLAC rip from the same disk of Beck's Sea Change).

I have installed the latest version of the Q10 Pro wrapper. So the wrapper currently must not be set to recognize different audio formats and play them back properly.
so you talk about that Q10 pro nice to be support:
FLAC Decoding (PCM) - the only now support
FLAC  passtroguth
DSF/DFF Decoding (PCM)
DSF/DFF passtroguth

SACD iso i think it's not possible.

are you sure  there are AVR that actually decodes multichannel FLAC ?
my onkyo nr-818 playback  multichannel FLAC only to stereo from USB fle ,  if i playback  with himedia music: multichannel FLAC -> decodes to PCM HDMI -> my AVR have multichannel PCM.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on May 31, 2016, 12:03:03 AM
are you sure  there are AVR that actually decodes multichannel FLAC ?
my onkyo nr-818 playback  multichannel FLAC only to stereo from USB fle ,  if i playback  with himedia music: multichannel FLAC -> decodes to PCM HDMI -> my AVR have multichannel PCM.

Yes, I did extensive audio testing as the original firmware did not pass HD audio at all to my Yamaha Aventage (it was incompatible). 
The updated firmware now allows all bitstreams to pass through (I re-checked all those that did not pass before).
 
I have played high bitrate FLAC (192Khz) 5.1 and PCM 5.1 from the Q10 Pro and they output in multi-channel 5.1. 
My old WD TV was also able to pass 96Khz 5.1 FLAC audio through.  All testing files played were from my NAS .

Q10 Pro definitely it does not read SACD .iso files at this time.  It will play lossless FLAC files extracted/converted from the SACD .iso (on a PC using FooBar).
However, it definitely does read Pure Audio .iso files and passes them perfectly  ;D
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: looun on May 31, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
My old WD TV was also able to pass 96Khz 5.1 FLAC audio through.  All testing files played were from my NAS .

ok ,but your AVR  can decoding 5.1 FLAC passtrought ? or decoding  only 2.0 ?

my onkyo can decoding 5.1 flac only as simple 2.0 stereo.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on May 31, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
I use HibyMusic (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en) to play SACD .ISO .DSD .DSF as well as FLAC, MP3  or WAVfiles thru my USB DAC/AMP. Dont have an A/V or  Amplifier so I could not verify.

The App is free so you can verify it yourself.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on May 31, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
I use HibyMusic (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en) to play SACD .ISO .DSD .DSF as well as FLAC, MP3  or WAVfiles thru my USB DAC/AMP. Dont have an A/V or  Amplifier so I could not verify.

The App is free so you can verify it yourself.

Will give it a go and report results here.

Did yesterday a test using Total Commander using it also as Media Player for Music.
I liked the user interface making it very easy to add individual pieces and entire folders (=albums) to a dynamically created playlist. Use this a lot. Meant to be run in the background (and TV OFF). 

Found 2 problems using Q10 Pro specifically (both not present using a Android Lollipop based Smart Phone):
- The APP relies on the Notification Bar for signaling and Pop-ups (which is removed on Q10 Pro). This can be compensated functionally by adding a "TC Main Menu" Button  and a "TC Media Player" button manually. The experience is different.
- The Main Menu ICON's for TC itself and Media Player are not displayed on the TOP line. Reported as a problem to creator Christian Ghisler. It is partially compensated by the 2 buttons added only. Saving Play-lists is e.g. not possible as a consequence.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on May 31, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
ok ,but your AVR  can decoding 5.1 FLAC passtrought ? or decoding  only 2.0 ?

my onkyo can decoding 5.1 flac only as simple 2.0 stereo.
Yes, the Q10 Pro passes to my Yamaha AVR and it plays all 5.1 channels for FLAC, AAC & PCM multi-channel 5.1.
Does not get downmixed to 2.0.
 
Perhaps also check your sample files with MediaInfo.  I found some of the Kodi samples linked were really only 2.0 and not the 5.1 audio they were supposed to be.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on May 31, 2016, 02:47:13 PM

so you talk about that Q10 pro nice to be support:
FLAC Decoding (PCM) - the only now support
FLAC  passtroguth
DSF/DFF Decoding (PCM)
DSF/DFF passtroguth

SACD iso i think it's not possible.

are you sure  there are AVR that actually decodes multichannel FLAC ?
my onkyo nr-818 playback  multichannel FLAC only to stereo from USB fle ,  if i playback  with himedia music: multichannel FLAC -> decodes to PCM HDMI -> my AVR have multichannel PCM.

Actually I think your are right... I suspect that the Pioneer SC-99 can connect to, find, and stream  multichannel audio files (DSF or Flac) but it will play them in Stereo. I will verify this later today. Considering this, the Q10 Pro does NOT convert the lossless FLAC files to PCM without introducing some modification of the original audio file... thus the reason that DTS-encoded DC's in FLAC format do not play properly through the Pioneer SC99.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on May 31, 2016, 09:34:16 PM
I use HibyMusic (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en) to play SACD .ISO .DSD .DSF as well as FLAC, MP3  or WAVfiles thru my USB DAC/AMP. Dont have an A/V or  Amplifier so I could not verify.

The App is free so you can verify it yourself.

- The APP crashes my Pointer Mouse when doing an EXIT from HibyMusic. Need a reboot to restore it. It is the only APP doing this. It still works fine when using HibyMusic.
- It plays an SACD.ISO image but output is 2 channel PCM always even when MCH on the source. The Menu shows the correct DSD sample rate with 1-bit for it.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: stack on May 31, 2016, 09:51:08 PM
Tried it too. It has some interruptions when I play Era - Dont go away for example.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on June 01, 2016, 05:55:41 AM
I use HibyMusic (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en) to play SACD .ISO .DSD .DSF as well as FLAC, MP3  or WAVfiles thru my USB DAC/AMP. Dont have an A/V or  Amplifier so I could not verify.

The App is free so you can verify it yourself.
Managed to install this app and play 2 separate SACD .iso files using the Q10 Pro. 

I put them both on an SD card as it could not find my LAN (does show this as an option in this app).
They are both stereo source and the player confirmed it was playing a DSD file @ 2822 KHz 1bit 5644Kbps audio.
Pass-through was fine in RAW to my AVR.  Sounded very good!

For anyone wanting to play SACD .iso files, it is worth testing.  Thanks @m-i-c-k-e-y for suggesting this app.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on June 01, 2016, 08:01:15 AM
[They are both stereo source and the player confirmed it was playing a DSD file @ 2822 KHz 1bit 5644Kbps audio.
Pass-through was fine in RAW to my AVR.  Sounded very good!

For anyone wanting to play SACD .iso files, it is worth testing.  Thanks @m-i-c-k-e-y for suggesting this app.

Are you sure output was really DSD? On my setup with an Onkyo AMP the player also reported DSD playback at the correct DSD format but my AMP told a different story. It just got LPCM in and Q10 Pro volume control intervenes. That is the real point to look not what the player tells you about the source format found.
Another way to check output is RAW can be done using volume control of Q10 itself. That should NOT work as it will be bypassed in RAW mode.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: titis on June 01, 2016, 08:17:03 AM
I find the problem when playing SACD DTS 5.1 .wav sound is slightly accelerated , how can I correct this?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on June 01, 2016, 08:42:43 AM
I find the problem when playing SACD DTS 5.1 .wav sound is slightly accelerated , how can I correct this?

What are you playing exactly? There is SACD 5.1 which is DSD and there is DTS 5.1 but there is no DTS ever on an SACD (There may be WAV on the original CD layer).
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: titis on June 01, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
thanks for answering monkey, is a dts 5.1 audio for queen  sacd in cover in his day was an .iso file but when decompressing the result are .wav files which were heard at the correct speed on another player . But listening pro Q10 slightly more rpm
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Phil181 on June 01, 2016, 11:39:18 AM
[ On my setup with an Onkyo AMP the player also reported DSD playback at the correct DSD format but my AMP told a different story. It just got LPCM in and Q10 Pro volume control intervenes. That is the real point to look not what the player tells you about the source format found.
You are correct.  The Android app reads the .iso but also converts DSD to PCM before passing the audio.  This is probably understandable as it was really designed for mobile phone Android use (and headphones).....
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 01, 2016, 11:55:39 AM
- The APP crashes my Pointer Mouse when doing an EXIT from HibyMusic. Need a reboot to restore it. It is the only APP doing this. It still works fine when using HibyMusic.
- It plays an SACD.ISO image but output is 2 channel PCM always even when MCH on the source. The Menu shows the correct DSD sample rate with 1-bit for it.

On Hiby, If SACD .ISO has both Stereo and MCH, Stereo is displayed first followed by MCH (double entry on playlist).

With my DAC/AMP, Q10 Pro passes bitperfect signals thru USB. From 44.1Khz MP3 to SACD DSD128.

An app with slighly better SQ is NeutronMP (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en)). However it doesn't support SACD .ISO files like Hiby.

Wished I could access the settings on UAPP or Onkyo HF (better SACD players IMO, but no .ISO support). It seems Android TV UI is different from that of Smartphone or Tablet. 

Again sorry could not help on the AV/Amp side.  Of which I could not test audio through HDMI.

Bought this for bedside music listening. 4K video was a marvellous plus.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 01, 2016, 12:12:12 PM
Actually I think your are right... I suspect that the Pioneer SC-99 can connect to, find, and stream  multichannel audio files (DSF or Flac) but it will play them in Stereo. I will verify this later today. Considering this, the Q10 Pro does NOT convert the lossless FLAC files to PCM without introducing some modification of the original audio file... thus the reason that DTS-encoded DC's in FLAC format do not play properly through the Pioneer SC99.

Your Pioneer SC-99 has two built in Sabre (ES9016S) DACs.

TRY THIS:

Plug a USB cable (2.0 or higher) from your Q10 Pro to your Receiver, Install HibyMusic from Play Store. And give your SACD/FLAC files a go.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: Nice Monkey on June 01, 2016, 12:17:24 PM
This is probably understandable as it was really designed for mobile phone Android use (and headphones).....

It is not. In the setup there is a specific choice for PCM and 2 variants of DSD. It was really designed also for full SACD native sound. See also the SACD logo screen and m-i-c-k-e-y using it via USB. For a reason it does not work with Q10 Pro.

Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: vanlq on June 02, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
By default music player not recognize SACD (.iso file). So I used to HibyMusic app to replace it.
I follow this guide: http://baiviet.top/himedia-q10-q5-pro-are-first-player-support-sacd-dsf-dff/ (http://baiviet.top/himedia-q10-q5-pro-are-first-player-support-sacd-dsf-dff/)  and working expect
You can view it.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 02, 2016, 03:35:25 PM

Your Pioneer SC-99 has two built in Sabre (ES9016S) DACs.

TRY THIS:

Plug a USB cable (2.0 or higher) from your Q10 Pro to your Receiver, Install HibyMusic from Play Store. And give your SACD/FLAC files a go.

OKAY, I will give that a try and report back this weekend... Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 04, 2016, 03:52:48 AM

Your Pioneer SC-99 has two built in Sabre (ES9016S) DACs.

TRY THIS:

Plug a USB cable (2.0 or higher) from your Q10 Pro to your Receiver, Install HibyMusic from Play Store. And give your SACD/FLAC files a go.

I could not get HibyMusic to send the DSF files directly to the USB-DAC input of the Pioneer SC-99 Receiver. It only sent the music decoded by the OS through the HDMI output. AM I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: vanlq on June 04, 2016, 06:25:16 AM

Your Pioneer SC-99 has two built in Sabre (ES9016S) DACs.

TRY THIS:

Plug a USB cable (2.0 or higher) from your Q10 Pro to your Receiver, Install HibyMusic from Play Store. And give your SACD/FLAC files a go.

I could not get HibyMusic to send the DSF files directly to the USB-DAC input of the Pioneer SC-99 Receiver. It only sent the music decoded by the OS through the HDMI output. AM I doing something wrong?

When you run Hibymusic that appear message then you should press OK immediate
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 04, 2016, 07:12:25 AM
Hope this helps.

1. Turn Off your Receiver/DAC.
2. Install HibyMusic to your Q10 Pro from Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en
3. Plug a USB 2.0 printer cable from your Q10 Pro (use side the USB(A) sockets of your Q10 Pro) to the USB(B) socket at the back of your Receiver/DAC.
4. Turn On DAC
5.  When accessing Hiby a popup will open. Click OK when HibyMusic says wants to initialize your DAC.
6.  Go to SETTINGS->ADVANCE and configure you're DAC (PCM/DoP/Native) by swiping your cursor from left to right OR use the settings button from the remote.
7. Use Folder tab to choose your music.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 04, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
Hope this helps.

1. Turn Off your Receiver/DAC.
2. Install HibyMusic to your Q10 Pro from Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en
3. Plug a USB 2.0 printer cable from your Q10 Pro (use side the USB(A) sockets of your Q10 Pro) to the USB(B) socket at the back of your Receiver/DAC.
4. Turn On DAC
5.  When accessing Hiby a popup will open. Click OK when HibyMusic says wants to initialize your DAC.
6.  Go to SETTINGS->ADVANCE and configure you're DAC (PCM/DoP/Native) by swiping your cursor from left to right OR use the settings button from the remote.
7. Use Folder tab to choose your music.

Well I did what you recommended and HibyMusic worked somewhat. Since I am using a Receiver/DAC I had to connect the HDMI output of the Q10 Pro directly to my display. Also since I connect my Q10 Pro via ethernet I used the Automount fix to enable my Samba Share folders to be found by HibyMusic (it does not work with Ethernet, only WiFi). After HibyMusic found my DAC and supposedly initialized it, I tested it out. Under Native or DoP the DSF files and FLAC files all played too slowly as if the files were being sent to the DAC at half speed. Also I had to try different combinations to find my DSF files - apparently the setup through the Ethernet input (auto mounting a Samba share as a SDcard folder) confuses HibyMusic, and it will not show the DSF files reliably, only the FLAC files.

And despite all of this, my USB Receiver/DAC is stereo only (unless you access the additional DACs through the HDMI input), so no multichannel sound. This is NOT really a solution to playing SACD Music. Unless there is another app that plays music better (and through the HDMI output, not USB) I will have to wait and see if Himedia programs a more reliable solution.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 04, 2016, 01:20:39 PM
Sorry for your experience Bro.

But at least you tried.

Although having a different setup/purpose as to yours, was hoping that  you will enjoy it also (to be able to play SACD/DSD).

Cheers!
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 04, 2016, 06:22:13 PM
Sorry for your experience Bro.

But at least you tried.

Although having a different setup/purpose as to yours, was hoping that  you will enjoy it also (to be able to play SACD/DSD).

Cheers!

Well I am persistent, if anything at all... The problem I was having is software related. The current android device driver is inadequate for a lot of HD Music sources, and PCM conversion is spotty at best. ExaSound Audio Design rewrote the DAC device driver for Android OS (down to version 3.1) to make it compatible with all HD music formats (including DSF/DFF files). And their software USB Audio Player Pro (using their own device driver) successfully plays SACD music through my Pioneer SC-99 USB-DAC. Their interface on the Q10 Pro is very screwy (a tablet interface not very compatible with a mouse interface), but the audio quality is impeccable... finally the correct volume and speed for each soundtrack, and the receiver recognizes the SACD 1-bit stream. The software also finds all my music sources through my Q10 Pro's ethernet connection (including DLNA) and plays them correctly.

If any enthusiast in interested in playing back HD Music formats on the Q10 Pro without quality loss this is the app to use because of the rewritten music device driver. Unfortunately my receiver DAC is stereo only, but USB Audio Pro compensates for this correctly with good results on MultiChannel sources. It can also play in the background while running other apps (probably a useless feature). I have not figure out how to get to their settings menu yet to adjust 1 pack transfer on very high bit SACD sources, since the SC-99 DAC is glitchy with these sources.

Now if I can only afford the exaSound Audio Design e28, I can then play multichannel HD sources through my Pioneer AVR  :) .
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 04, 2016, 07:36:50 PM
Yes I know UAAP's SQ is barnone. Too bad could not or do not know how to  access its settings the from the Q10 Pro to configure my DAC.

If I could make it work (UAPP) will be a very happy monkey.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: looun on June 06, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
Sorry for your experience Bro.

But at least you tried.

Although having a different setup/purpose as to yours, was hoping that  you will enjoy it also (to be able to play SACD/DSD).

Cheers!

Well I am persistent, if anything at all... The problem I was having is software related. The current android device driver is inadequate for a lot of HD Music sources, and PCM conversion is spotty at best. ExaSound Audio Design rewrote the DAC device driver for Android OS (down to version 3.1) to make it compatible with all HD music formats (including DSF/DFF files). And their software USB Audio Player Pro (using their own device driver) successfully plays SACD music through my Pioneer SC-99 USB-DAC. Their interface on the Q10 Pro is very screwy (a tablet interface not very compatible with a mouse interface), but the audio quality is impeccable... finally the correct volume and speed for each soundtrack, and the receiver recognizes the SACD 1-bit stream. The software also finds all my music sources through my Q10 Pro's ethernet connection (including DLNA) and plays them correctly.

If any enthusiast in interested in playing back HD Music formats on the Q10 Pro without quality loss this is the app to use because of the rewritten music device driver. Unfortunately my receiver DAC is stereo only, but USB Audio Pro compensates for this correctly with good results on MultiChannel sources. It can also play in the background while running other apps (probably a useless feature). I have not figure out how to get to their settings menu yet to adjust 1 pack transfer on very high bit SACD sources, since the SC-99 DAC is glitchy with these sources.

Now if I can only afford the exaSound Audio Design e28, I can then play multichannel HD sources through my Pioneer AVR  :) .

Do you have compare Analog output(RCA white/red) Q10 pro DAC ( Hi3798C V200 embedded ADAC ) with your USB DAC? quality , clear, fidelity ecc..
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 08, 2016, 01:55:46 AM

Do you have compare Analog output(RCA white/red) Q10 pro DAC ( Hi3798C V200 embedded ADAC ) with your USB DAC? quality , clear, fidelity ecc..

I have not compared the analog out from the Q10 Pro using the internal DAC since I assume that it would be the same quality as the HDMI audio output (am I wrong?). I do know that the HDMI output using the Q10 Pro DAC is audibly worse than using the  Pioneer SC-99 USB DAC with USB Audio Player Pro app handling the transfer of digital audio files including the DSF (SACD) files "outside of the Android OS" in native format (not DoP), thus not affected by the Android OS limitations.

Is there anyway to do a screen "swipe" under the Q10 Pro Android OS the get to other screens in the app including the setup screen. I have a remote, mouse, and keyboard attached to the Q10 Pro, but I have not figured out how to do a finger swipe (as on a Android Tablet) to change screens!
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 08, 2016, 07:01:20 AM
On Hiby music, to access settings, from left of screen, click left button, hold, and. drag screen to right.

To access player, opposite.

Have you tried playing dff/dsf/flac filed locally (SD, pendrive)?
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 08, 2016, 10:12:44 AM
On Hiby music, to access settings, from left of screen, click left button, hold, and. drag screen to right.

To access player, opposite.

Have you tried playing dff/dsf/flac filed locally (SD, pendrive)?

1) To swipe the screen I tried what you said, but using USB Audio Player Pro, not HibyMusic. I'll try it again. Do you have to start the swipe by left clicking and holding off the screen edge (if that is even possible) ?

2) Remarkably I have tried playing DFF/DSF/FLAC files locally stored on a USB thumb drive or through the SD Card. Since HibyMusic requires WiFi to access my network I set up an AutoMount SDCard folder that points to my HD Music files on my network (using looun's AutoMount 0.2 Batch files). The Q10 Pro actually sees my DFF/DSF/FLAC files in a local folder on my SDCard folder. It is very convenient to access my music files that way. HibyMusic had problems playing my Hd Music files through my Pioneer DAC. But the files played fine using USB  Audio Player Pro. I have not tried listening the files playing through the built in Media Center alone and out the analog stereo outputs though.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: looun on June 08, 2016, 11:11:22 AM

Do you have compare Analog output(RCA white/red) Q10 pro DAC ( Hi3798C V200 embedded ADAC ) with your USB DAC? quality , clear, fidelity ecc..

I have not compared the analog out from the Q10 Pro using the internal DAC since I assume that it would be the same quality as the HDMI audio output (am I wrong?). I do know that the HDMI output using the Q10 Pro DAC is audibly worse than using the  Pioneer SC-99 USB DAC with USB Audio Player Pro app handling the transfer of digital audio files including the DSF (SACD) files "outside of the Android OS" in native format (not DoP), thus not affected by the Android OS limitations.

Is there anyway to do a screen "swipe" under the Q10 Pro Android OS the get to other screens in the app including the setup screen. I have a remote, mouse, and keyboard attached to the Q10 Pro, but I have not figured out how to do a finger swipe (as on a Android Tablet) to change screens!

NO, when output with HDMI not use any DAC. It's only "digital" decoding codec FLAC- > PCM.

the  question is about: "Q10 Pro DAC  VS   Pioneer SC-99 USB DAC",    compare Analog output.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on June 08, 2016, 04:20:53 PM
1) To swipe the screen I tried what you said, but using USB Audio Player Pro, not HibyMusic. I'll try it again. Do you have to start the swipe by left clicking and holding off the screen edge (if that is even possible) ?


 "Yes" - For HibyMusic to access its Settings

For USB Audio Player Pro,  have you accessed its settings? If "Yes" how did you do it...

One good player also, with a bit of learning curve is NeutronMP (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en)) but could not play SACD .ISO.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 09, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
1) To swipe the screen I tried what you said, but using USB Audio Player Pro, not HibyMusic. I'll try it again. Do you have to start the swipe by left clicking and holding off the screen edge (if that is even possible) ?


For USB Audio Player Pro,  have you accessed its settings? If "Yes" how did you do it...


No, I have not been able to access its setting menu. As far as I can see with USB Audio Player Pro you have to SWIPE the screen to access settings, equalizer, etc. I was able to swipe the screen with the mouse on Hiby Music, but not with USB Audio Player Pro.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: ppoulos on June 09, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
NO, when output with HDMI not use any DAC. It's only "digital" decoding codec FLAC- > PCM.

the  question is about: "Q10 Pro DAC  VS   Pioneer SC-99 USB DAC",    compare Analog output.

I am then assuming that you want me to send the analog stereo output to my Pioneer's Multichannel input. Then use the built in Medial Center to play my music files on the network (or through an Automounted Folder on the SDcard).

In any case when I did this the first thing you notice is that the built in Media Center does not recognize SACD files (.dsf, .dff), so cannot decode that type of HD music. But it will play FLAC files that are encoded with sample rates from 44.1 to 192 kHz. My first impression is that the volume levels are off (too low). And the music I listened too lacked some depth as compared to the FLAC files played through the Pioneer USB DAC (using USB Audio Player Pro). I have no easy way to do an A-B comparison (no less double blinded), so I cannot say why I hear a difference. And  not being able to interpret SACD files is a surprise if they want to advertise that the Q10 Pro plays high definition music.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: futeko.com on June 10, 2016, 06:31:43 PM
NO, when output with HDMI not use any DAC. It's only "digital" decoding codec FLAC- > PCM.

the  question is about: "Q10 Pro DAC  VS   Pioneer SC-99 USB DAC",    compare Analog output.

I am then assuming that you want me to send the analog stereo output to my Pioneer's Multichannel input. Then use the built in Medial Center to play my music files on the network (or through an Automounted Folder on the SDcard).

In any case when I did this the first thing you notice is that the built in Media Center does not recognize SACD files (.dsf, .dff), so cannot decode that type of HD music. But it will play FLAC files that are encoded with sample rates from 44.1 to 192 kHz. My first impression is that the volume levels are off (too low). And the music I listened too lacked some depth as compared to the FLAC files played through the Pioneer USB DAC (using USB Audio Player Pro). I have no easy way to do an A-B comparison (no less double blinded), so I cannot say why I hear a difference. And  not being able to interpret SACD files is a surprise if they want to advertise that the Q10 Pro plays high definition music.

You may need to turn the system volume on the Q10 Pro up to full. Do this via the remote. This may cure the volume problem.

Native SACD support is something HiMedia have said they'll add.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: petruche on September 07, 2016, 04:40:05 PM
To Mickey
I have only a spdif dac did you try to use spdif instead of usb dac

Thanks for your answer

Patruche
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on September 07, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
I got to play thru Toslink.

My Spdif (coax/rca) cable will arrive Friday.

Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on September 09, 2016, 02:55:51 PM
Spdif RCA/Coax cable arrived today. And it played music through my DAC.

System Spdif settings: RAW

Using Himedia Music Player it played MP3, 24/96 Flac, 24/192 Flac. It can't play DXD (32/352.8 Flac) and DSD64 (.dsf).

However through UAPP (USB Audio Player Pro) it played everything the app could support. But it used the ASL (Android Sound Layer) to do this. Thus converted everything to 16/48 regardless of bit depth or rate.

Did yours play??
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: MrT on September 28, 2016, 09:04:59 AM


Native SACD support is something HiMedia have said they'll add.

hi ,

Hope the SACD.iso /DSD will be added in a future firmware , or in the futur firmware  :)
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: m-i-c-k-e-y on September 28, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
It is just software.

You could play already DSD and SACD ISO files with this free app: HibyMusic https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hiby.music&hl=en)

Paid app that plays DSD but not SACD ISO files:

USB Audio Player Pro (best SQ): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbaudioplayerpro&hl=en)
Neutron Music Player: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en)
Onlyo HF Player: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onkyo.jp.musicplayer&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.onkyo.jp.musicplayer&hl=en)

Need firmware 1.07 or higher for better menu integration.
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: MrT on September 28, 2016, 01:52:02 PM
i'm on 1.07 pcristi , I will try , thanks :)
Title: Re: Q5/Q10 Pro is the first player who read SACD!
Post by: suyar on September 06, 2021, 02:29:11 PM
I'd like to use Q10 pro as a player of FLAC, DSD and other music formats files for further recording on MiniDisc or TapeDeck. The question is: how is the sound quality of analog outputs (RCA white/red) of Q10 pro? Is it OK or I have to use external DAC for descent quality? Thanks!