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Product Support => Zidoo Z9S, Z10 => Topic started by: Sledgehamma on September 23, 2018, 12:25:18 PM
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I don't think Zidoo did anything on this except reporting flaws to Realtek.
Realtek is extremely vague about the updates they made to RTD1295DD version-B and RTD1296DD. The Dune player is known to use the RTD1295DD version-B chip. ::)
We may assume some internal HW processes to have been improved/debugged/optimized and maybe an Image Processing Engine was added indeed?. Progress never harms and may be visible/perceptible with some content? :)
The 30% claim is probably about internal I/O handling improvements which always are good, but not directly visible under most normal conditions.
Maybe Futeko has more insight?
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We are just repeating Zidoo's official site. https://www.zidoo.tv/Product/index/model/Z9S/target/2INlOr7QH%2B1KKmVViAFMcQ%3D%3D.html
'ZIDOO Z9S is a 4K UHD media player with the best performance built based on the new upgraded RTD1296DD. The performance is 30% better than the previous generation of chips, with more powerful peripheral expansion capability, and equipped with a new image optimization engine and HDR to SDR conversion engine'.
I don't have the specifics of what has changed, but it makes sense that in the 1.5 years between RTD1295 and RTD1296 Realtek would make improvements.
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I should add that I see a perceptible improvement in PQ between X9S and X20/X20 Pro. More natural, colours deeper. Whether this difference is attributable to RTD1295 vs RTD1296 and will carry over to Z9S/Z10 I do not yet know. X20/X20 Pro have better quality components and shielding which may be making the difference.
In a couple of weeks there will be many Z9S/Z10 in the hands of customers, and no doubt there will be lots of comparisons and analysis. :)
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I should add that I see a perceptible improvement in PQ between X9S and X20/X20 Pro. More natural, colours deeper. Whether this difference is attributable to RTD1295 vs RTD1296 and will carry over to Z9S/Z10 I do not yet know. X20/X20 Pro have better quality components and shielding which may be making the difference.
Discrete component quality, shielding and above all PSU quality have direct effects on analog signals, but the general statement for digital is "it either works or does not". Stability of clocks/timing is a known exception here (The PSU quality helps here too).
PQ improvements will come with the SOC primarily. We will see soon indeed, but I am optimistic it will carry over. Also some other RTD1295 flaws like forced subtitle support and 3D frame-rates may have been tackled?
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Sledgehamma, do you want a Z9S for review? I would be happy to see some objective testing.
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OK, no worries.
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I am a projector fan myself. Also these dropped in price considerably, but a real 4K is beyond my reach too.
Using a pseudo 4K (Epson UB5040) myself which I am happy with for now. It has good HDR which is the most relevant part for RTD1296DD.
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RTD1296DD is now better for up/downscaling UHD (color/brightness handling). But as others say some recent TV's offer the same and might even do a better job. Remains that many don't have such a fancy new TV.
I am pretty convinced more differences will be revealed in the (near) future. Also having substantial faster internal IO handling is never a bad thing for a smoother display! Difficult to qualify though.
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a question, this player also read the old divx?with x10 it does not read
thank you
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a question, this player also read the old divx?with x10 it does not read
thank you
The firmware's look functionally identical to me. So i don't think so.
@Sledgehamma Zidoo is actively working on "forced subtitles". So there may be hope it will be solved.
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Thanks for the update!
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a question, this player also read the old divx?with x10 it does not read
thank you
If you provide me a link to one to be tested, I will do that for you.
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a question, this player also read the old divx?with x10 it does not read
thank you
If you provide me a link to one to be tested, I will do that for you.
https://pastebin.com/An3XPAt4
this for example..thank you
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https://pastebin.com/An3XPAt4
this for example..thank you
No mega upload? This takes ages (no member there).
Got the first one (smallest): Il Maresciallo Rocca 2x01 - Un Maledetto Incastro.avi which plays just fine on my Z9S, X9S and Egreat A10
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when that time I put it on mega
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https://pastebin.com/An3XPAt4
this for example..thank you
No mega upload? This takes ages (no member there).
Got the first one (smallest): Il Maresciallo Rocca 2x01 - Un Maledetto Incastro.avi which plays just fine on my Z9S, X9S and Egreat A10
https://mega.nz/#!dt9HAKgA!MLe2Zl78933t0ob43FFrf8DDmsu6A5Y6MGjqFrxQaSE
try with this
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Already had that one downloaded. But this works very well/fast.
As said before it plays on all my players just fine: Z9S, X9S, Egreat A10.
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andys
It also works ok with the x20
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maybe with zdmc?
with x10, I do not read it.
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https://mega.nz/#!B0tlzCbB!hyp2kXwCufnZSsqFJpptM93xxgCZTQBbIKD3UHyq09c
and with this
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https://mega.nz/#!B0tlzCbB!hyp2kXwCufnZSsqFJpptM93xxgCZTQBbIKD3UHyq09c
and with this
Now we are getting somewhere Andys ;)
This one indeed does not work on Zidoo Z9S but yes with Egreat. Playing normally using Egreat A10 and A11 players (A5 most likely too).
May I suggest to create a problem thread about this on the Zidoo forum too. Please provide the link to both AVI test files also there.
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maybe with zdmc?
with x10, I do not read it.
Hi, with ZDMC on my Zidoo Z10 if it reads .avi (Oz)
(https://i.ibb.co/TwGxJFP/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TwGxJFP) (https://i.ibb.co/K6W0s16/2.png) (https://ibb.co/K6W0s16) (https://i.ibb.co/sQvLnyk/3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sQvLnyk) (https://i.ibb.co/GkMrkSm/4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkMrkSm)
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The first HW update on RTD1296DD appeared which is proper 24/1001 clock support. Apparently fixed for the new chip.
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The first HW update on RTD1296DD appeared which is proper 24/1001 clock support. Apparently fixed for the new chip.
Hi, and where is that update? :-\
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http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/new-firmware-v1-9-7-beta-version-for-zidoo-z9s-released.43240/
According to your own posted table. Not an official announcement which most likely will never come.
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The first HW update on RTD1296DD appeared which is proper 24/1001 clock support. Apparently fixed for the new chip.
http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/new-firmware-v1-9-7-beta-version-for-zidoo-z9s-released.43240/
Not following you - there's no mention of a hardware revision and that firmware mentions nothing about frame rates?
The frame rate in all FW revisions to date (1.7.7, 1.7.8, 1.8.1 and 1.9.7) has been a rock solid 23.974fps in all resolutions and all modes.
Can you elaborate?
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Look at the table with tests on the same page by @ProfenixNew. Fix also reported by others by viewing.
Never really perceived the problem of micro stuttering myself, but it bothered some.
Don't expect official Realtek announcements of fixes made to RTD1295 as those won't come, but obviously some will have been done. All kept in the obscure to avoid claims etc.
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Look at the table with tests on the same page by @ProfenixNew. Fix also reported by others by viewing.
Never really perceived the problem of micro stuttering myself, but it bothered some.
Don't expect official Realtek announcements of fixes made to RTD1295 as those won't come, but obviously some will have been done. All kept in the obscure to avoid claims etc.
LOL - it was me that produced that table. Frame rates taken using a Vertex and chroma banding checked with 10-bit ramp patterns (Masciola).
Sorry - I assumed you'd seen something official from Realtek or Zidoo but you're right, they're never going to come clean.