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Old Product Support => Egreat A11, A10, A5 => Topic started by: OlivierQC on September 05, 2017, 01:00:57 AM

Title: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on September 05, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 06, 2017, 03:39:19 PM
Please include also pictures of the interior. That is where the real differences should be.
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on September 07, 2017, 12:22:50 AM
Hello Nice Monkey,


Here are the pictures, I'm not a pro.


Egreat A10

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/596048DSC05005.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/402541DSC05006.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/630051DSC05007.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/633000DSC05008.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/638977DSC05010.jpg)

Egreat A11

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/573521DSC05014.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/307859DSC05015.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/169264DSC05016.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/207779DSC05017.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/505406DSC05018.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/588223DSC05021.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/172059DSC05022.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/465084DSC05023.jpg)

see you

Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 07, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
Thanks a lot! Nice detailed pictures. These confirm the higher quality build of A11.

What I see as differences just by having a visual peak:
- The PSU is earthed. This not trivial as detailed earlier by me. Looking at the physical size it probably indeed has been sized generously also.
- The PSU is fully shielded which is the perfect thing to do. It avoids impact on audio/video signals both analog and digital.
- The output of analog video and audio use discrete HQ components. Very relevant for people using specially analog audio out for discrete AMP's and headsets. For HDMI there is less impact.

The cooling concept was not changed as far as I can see. I was not impressed with the cooling of the A10 as the casing did not absorb the heat of specifically the HDD very well, cooling mainly depended on the airflow. Only temperature measurements can reveal if this chassis does a better job?
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: bolkebear59 on September 08, 2017, 07:49:39 AM
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: bolkebear59 on September 08, 2017, 07:56:23 AM
sorry my internet line just  went on strike

What I want to ask Olivier......if I read your review about the Zidoo X10 you prefer that one over the A10.......considering the lower price would you still go for the Zidoo X10 ?. I know it will be me to make the final decision but I would appreciate your view.

Thanks....I am no newbie to Kodi but to Android I am.
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 08, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
@Bolkebear59
I am using my A10 with my media centre setup and my X9S in my bedroom. I have a slight preference for my A10 mainly for the menu/command structure using the standard players. Regarding PQ and features they are very much on par with minor differences. Each has different shortcomings but as both products already came a long way one can definitely live with those. The Egreat A10 needs some tuning to get the best PQ as OlivierQC mentioned, overall we are very much inline with our mutual views. If price is a serious factor I would go for a bargain offer as both are excellent choices. The A11 is really for the guys who just want the best.  If one spends many thousands on a 4K TV/Projector plus expensive audio equipment then I would go for the A11 for sure. Feature wise even an A5 offers the same as an A11.

For KODI-only users the choice is between Vidon and ZDMC. Vidon has a problem as development seems to be frozen, ZDMC is probably the best choice? No idea what Egreat plans here? For pure KODI only I would personally buy another (cheaper) media player not being based on Android but Linux instead.

Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on September 08, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
Hi Bolkebear59

I agree with Nice monkey.

both are excellent player, but the Egreat A10 with Vidon is really excellent, I will choose the A10 at this price (160Euros)


what I like about Egreat is stability with vidon, unlike zidoo / ZDMC sometimes I have an error message.

but without forgetting what Nice Monkey says above

Vidon has a problem as development seems to be frozen, but if it is to play movies only, the version 16.1 is enough

see you

Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Charles01 on September 08, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
Does that mean My A5 is not good enough to show my blu ray on the big screen then. I brought on the understanding that the picture and sound  where on par with the original Blu Ray  or have I got that wrong
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: futeko.com on September 08, 2017, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: Charles01 on September 08, 2017, 03:13:57 PM
Does that mean My A5 is not good enough to show my blu ray on the big screen then. I brought on the understanding that the picture and sound  where on par with the original Blu Ray  or have I got that wrong

Internal hardware is very similar between A5 and A11, the difference is the quality of some internal components (plug, cables, better shielding). Nice Monkey is correct that A11 will give better image quality, but the difference is very marginal.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the image quality of A5.
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: futeko.com on September 08, 2017, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: bolkebear59 on September 08, 2017, 07:49:39 AM
can buy  A10 now for around 6.290 Baht/ 160 Euro.

I'd be very surprised if Egreat A10 is available anywhere at that price. It's way below cost price and Egreat A10 is not being discontinued.
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: bolkebear59 on September 09, 2017, 01:11:05 AM
At first...thanks Olivier and Nice Monkey for both your advice. I I will go for the A10 then.  And will get me an Egreat A5 for the bedroom too. Still cheaper then one A11.
Sorry for Futeko.com but  yes the Egreat  players are cheaper here in Thailand. I just made a quick stroll around 4 shops  in Bangkok (I could give ythe names but as you have a shop too I in no way want to undermine your business) and mentioned below are the prices  I found Egreat A5 and A10 for here . Mind you it are not the Chinese models . One shopkeeper showed me a running Egreat A5 and it had all its software available in both Dutch and Danish. He told me mostly expats buy them.  Thai customers preferred the plug and play players and reading here and on other forums as well that both Zidoo and Egreat are not.  He also told me that Egreat is selling the A10 at a reduced price to get ridd off their stock. True or false I do not know but if i were Egreat I would do the same if I really wanted to push the A11.
I also checked on internet and  at the big shops I know in Chiang Mai and Udon Tani prices are near the same as ones you see below.
The A11 is at the moment only available at a very very upmarket shop near the Emporium shopping center and for a price that made me fastly run away.  Thai Baht 19.895,--...about 458 UK Pounds and they have to order it  for you if you want one.

Egreat A5 can be had here for between 4.290 Thai Baht and  4.990 Thai Baht...available all over the Bangkok. So between 95 and 115 pounds UK.
Egreat A10 is only available at 2 of the shops I know in Bangkok and at the two big electronic shops in Chiang Mai between  6.290 Thai Baht and 8.990 Thai baht (but then  with a free 500gb harddrive included). So in UK pounds between 145,-- and 205,--.

Today I will go get me the Egreat A10 and start to "play"with it. Should I run into any troubles I know where to go: this forum.
Thanks.

Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on September 09, 2017, 08:21:14 PM
Hello,

I just made a small test with the 2 output HDMI of the Egreat A11.

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/187823DSC05044.jpg)

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1st test
With a pioneer Elite SC81 which does not support the DTS X, ATMOS and the HDR, with a Sony TV 4k 850D compatible HDR.

Second test
With a Onkyo 656  which support the DTS X, ATMOS and the HDR, with a Sony TV 4k 930C compatible HDR.

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I did the test with a video UHD HDR that has a DTS HD soundtrack, because it seems to me to have seen that the hdmi 1.4 supports HD sound 7.1

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With the Pioneer I have DTS sound (but no HD), it is not catastrophic because it allows me to enjoy movies in UHD HDR with the dual HDMI output of Egreat A11 on my TV 4k HDR

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/762180DSC05038.jpg)



(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/299296DSC05040.jpg)

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With the Onkyo TX-NR656 I have DTS HD sound compared to the pioneer who only has DTS sound

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/867566DSC05049.jpg)

(https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/304474DSC05051.jpg)

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Does this mean that a receiver not compatible with DTS-X and Atmos will not have HD sound with the hdmi 1.4 output of the A11,
despite the fact that the receiver is DTS HD compatible.

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thank you in advance

OlivierQC
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 10, 2017, 09:02:06 AM
All current audio standards including ATMOS and DTS-X should work via HDMI 1.4 as far as I know. It works in combination with HD video and some UHD modes only because of HDMI 1.4a bandwidth restrictions. As UHD Video is stripped with the splitting over 2 ports it should work then with any Video mode on the other port.

Obviously the AMP needs to support all advanced HD Audio modes too. ATMOS and DTS-X typically come with HDMI 2.0a capable receivers only. Some older receivers will be capable to strip the HD DD/DTS signal and still play the so called core as standard DD or DTS. My Onkyo older TX-NR609 receiver does so for ATMOS and DTS-X. Other HD audio modes are supported by it natively. Should work like that also using dual ports.
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 10, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Q: PSU type? Egreat A11 has an IEC C14 power socket. We ship an IEC C13 power lead suitable for the country the order is being shipped to. Europe - 2-pin Europlug, UK - fused 3-pin UK, USA/Canada - 2-pin US, Australia/New Zealand - 2-pin Australian. If you have a request for a specific power lead type please email us.

Sorry Futeko but you should be shipping 3-pin power cords for all countries not just UK to make the box Earthed as it is designed for. I am aware that this requires multiple types of cords for various countries within Europe. Obviously a 2-pin cord just works but the better design advantage is lost. :'(

The socket on the box is the most common standard for professional equipment and finding an obsolete matching power cord should be very easy. This for those wanting to swap it for a quality cable. Desktop PC power cables are good examples. ;)
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: futeko.com on September 11, 2017, 10:46:08 AM
Quote from: Nice Monkey on September 10, 2017, 09:52:10 AM
Q: PSU type? Egreat A11 has an IEC C14 power socket. We ship an IEC C13 power lead suitable for the country the order is being shipped to. Europe - 2-pin Europlug, UK - fused 3-pin UK, USA/Canada - 2-pin US, Australia/New Zealand - 2-pin Australian. If you have a request for a specific power lead type please email us.

Sorry Futeko but you should be shipping 3-pin power cords for all countries not just UK to make the box Earthed as it is designed for. I am aware that this requires multiple types of cords for various countries within Europe. Obviously a 2-pin cord just works but the better design advantage is lost. :'(

The socket on the box is the most common standard for professional equipment and finding an obsolete matching power cord should be very easy. This for those wanting to swap it for a quality cable. Desktop PC power cables are good examples. ;)

All our cables for A11 are earthed. I will clarify the description.

US / Canada: 3-pin type B: http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/ab/
Australia / New Zealand: 3-pin type I: http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/i/
UK: 3-pin type G: http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/g/
Europe: Schuko type F: http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/f/
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: Nice Monkey on September 11, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
Looks a lot better!

Thanks for the clarification/rectification.  :)
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on September 22, 2017, 11:44:46 AM
Hello,

a new fw will be available next week and the 10bit issue will be solved,
I will resume my review

see you
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on January 08, 2018, 03:12:15 PM
Hi all,

An overview of the HDR Mode option that allows you to use your full HD TV with UHD HDR videos and the Egreat.

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this is valid for Egreat A5 /10/11

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Equipement

LG 32LB5800-UG (8Bit panel)
cable hdmi Egreat
Egreat A5 (Fw1.2.6.6)

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I am updating the A5 with the FW 1.2.6.6

(https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/566511DSC05534.jpg)

I keep the options by default (HDR mode : AUTO)

(https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/797790DSC05537.jpg)

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I used the same movie but with 2 different quality

-ISO UHD HDR (59 go)
-MKV (8.30 go)

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the TV is a LG 32LB5800-UG and I have a wifi connection for the test.

(https://i.imgur.com/oDHagQy.jpg)

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IMPORTANT

I am not an expert and I just report what I see with my eyes.

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I watched the 1080p MKV movie for a while to keep in memory the colors / contrast / etc ....

after that I watched the ISO UHD HDR ....

Conclusion

there is no faded color problem or other problem with the image ...
The HDR mode works properly on my little TV LG.

I watched UHD HDR demos and colors, contrast, etc ... was good as if it was a 1080p video

for the owners of Full HD TV, you can use the Egreat with your UHD HDR movie, there are no problems

See you
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on January 08, 2018, 03:32:15 PM
Hi all,

For those who are interressing to change the wallpaper of the main menu, here is a solution that is available on the Egreat forum.


For those who have a UHD tv you can choose a 2160p wallpaper

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this is valid for Egreat A5 /10/11

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just rename your images (jpeg) in: background2 and background1.

background2.jpg --> is show as default when custom theme is active
background1.jpg --> use after 30 sec of idle

you can choose to put the same image for both as by default.

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From your PC, open the folder Autologo and replace the original images by yours.

Here is the path on my PC to access the Autologo file

(https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/348989Capture01.jpg)

In the ''Theme option'', choose "Custom" at the bottom of the page and your new wallpaper will appear.


Thanks to E_CS for his help

See you
Title: Re: Egreat A11...Review
Post by: OlivierQC on January 08, 2018, 07:36:41 PM
Hi all,

Egreat has done a good job since my previous tests.

(http://cn.egreatworld.com/images/egreat/product/A11/A11_logo.png)

I use the Egreat A11 for a few days with the FW1.2.6.6 and I am satisfied with the evolution of the box.

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+ now the Picture Quality is equivalent to zidoo / zappiti (in my opinion).

+ I am satisfied with their POSTER V2.0, it works very well with my videotheque, the small problems have disappeared, Egreat did a very good job and I know that Egreat continues to work the improvement of their apk.

+ Compared to the A5/10 and others competitor.... when i use the dual hdmi, it removes the problem of loss of signal on my TV or the black screen during the framerate switch.

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There are still some bugs to fix like all the android box following the use that people have with their Egreat but now I can see my collection of movies in better condition than before


I'm sure the next FW will bring a lot of improvement / fix

See you

OlivierQC