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Product Support => Zidoo X10 => Topic started by: OlivierQC on July 24, 2017, 04:22:11 PM
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May be that some people will say that this review is not necessary, i do not have the same opinion.
Each type of device corresponds to a user profile, those who do not have Wired Gigabit Ethernet and who do not want to have external hdd on their audio-video bench/furniture could be interrested by the X10 which allows to have a storage up to 10 To in a small cube of 20cm by 20cm.
As far I know, the X9S and X10 have the same wi-fi antennae. Only the new X20 will have improved MIMO wi-fi antennae. Both, X9S and X10 have the same wired Gigabit connection and same performance, because hardware is the same (there are reviews claiming that the motherboard of the X10 is the same as the used in X9S).
On the other hand, initially Zidoo promised us that X10 would have a 'more professional software' than its siblings, do you remember? Currently the X10 has a firmware near identical to firmwares for X9S and X8, so besides of a revamped display, an internal HDD bay and a new fan for that bay, no other difference exists.
I asked this question to 'mirror' some weeks ago and I've received no reply yet. I think Zidoo have left their plans to add exclusive features to the X10.
That being said, it would be nice to have a review of this device here, so come on :)
PS. I'm boblo from Zidoo/Kodi forums ;)
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Hello Djinn/boblo ;)
You are right there are some differences, Differences that will interest a customer who does not necessarily have the same need or equipment as the person who will buy an X9S for example.
Tonight the X9s will be replaced by the X10 :)
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Thanks for the updates. I look forward to playback tests.
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Hello futeko.com,
I'll have to start tonight, or tomorrow I'll have more time.
I watched a movie UHD HDR remux last night, and everything worked except the subtitles always the same problem, this happens less often than before but still present.
When I download/select another subtitle I no longer have the problem.
see you
OlivierQC
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hello all,
I'll have a Fluke 561 Thermometer for the weekend, I will note the temperature of the case with and without the fan and before and after watching a movie.
see you
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Hello OlivierQC,
Having tried both the Egreat A10 and the zidoo X10, if you had to buy and keep only one, which one would it be and why?
Also, do you stream the the 400mbps jellyfish clip or play it through the HDD?
Thanks.
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Their home theater work properly, i like their filter system, we find the movie we want very quickly,
How? I don't see any text field to search titles by name...
Thanks
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Hello depmesh,
The 400mbps jellyfish is on my NAS.
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The two brands offer excellent performance, honestly difficult to choose for me.
The 2 machines still have little bugs/bugs
The Egreat is compatible with the blu ray menu uhd, not the Zidoo.
the Zidoo ( it is my opinion) has a better PQ out of the box, It is necessary to make adjustments with the egreat before having an image equivalent to the Zidoo
The zidoo switch has the right frequency, not the Egreat
The Egreat has Vidon, it supports BR menu... not ZDMC.
The zidoo has a price more interesting than the egreat
Both machines have advantages and disadvantages, i do not know which one to choose.
There is the price that can help you, according to your budget
If the UHD BR menu does not interest you, chose the zidoo and in addition it is cheaper.
If you want to have the UHD / BR menu with Vidon selected the Egreat
the PQ is equivalent.
The 2 machines are stable
Do you want a box that looks like a blu ray player or a small square box like the zidoo x10
Personally I keep both machines
see you
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Hello All,
If you want to use Kodi 17.3 or 18 with the zidoo external player, follow the link below :
Thanks to Cobric,
Latest KODI Leia and Krypton 17.3 with ZidooPlayer
http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/latest-kodi-leia-and-krypton-17-3-with-zidooplayer.5511/page-3#post-27300
see you
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Hello Djinn/boblo ;)
You are right there are some differences, Differences that will interest a customer who does not necessarily have the same need or equipment as the person who will buy an X9S for example.
Tonight the X9s will be replaced by the X10 :)
Hi
I read your review about the Zidoo X10 and it is very informative. I had an Egreat A5 but sold it again as , even after their latest firmware-update is still has too many buggs. Kodi on the A5 is no found(disturbing sound when playing movies as well as flac music files). I replaced the A5 by a Nvidia Shield and that works much better only....no 3d and no menu. So I am considering the X10 . because I see you have both Egreat and Zidoo could you give me your opinion ....which of these two do you prefer.
I know THE PLAYER does not excist but I would appreciate your opinion. Especially important is: does the Zidoo play the menus the same way the Egreat does ? that was one thing I did like about the Egreat but especially the soundproblems ( continuing disturbances when using the Egreat player, the Vidon or Kodi 17) made me decide to replace it.
Thanks again for your great review......and looking forward to hear from you.
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Hello cillo99,
it is weird, because i do not have any problem with the Egreat when i use POSTER v2.0 or vidon.
The 2 devices support 2D/3D ISO (vidon/poster v2.0/zdmc/hometheater )
About BD menu :
Zidoo X10
Home theater app supports HD BD menu
Home theater app does not support UHD BD menu
ZDMC does not support HD BD menu
ZDMC does not support UHD BD menu
egreat A5/10
POSTER V2.0 app supports HD BD menu
POSTER V2.0 app supports UHD BD menu
Vidon supports HD BD menu
Vidon does not support UHD BD menu
I do not know if ZDMC will support BR menu in the future
see you
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Wow....thank you Olivier for your quick and informative reply.
I will try to explain a bit better why I sold my Egreat A5. The idea Egreat has with this machine is great but they forgot one main thing : a media-player mainly should give its user a day to day easy to use experience and that Egreat does not. All the time (I had it for 3 months) it surprised me with things that just not worked or even worse stopped working after a new update became available. For instance when I bought the thing the changing of the Region-code worked now it does not. I know there is a work-around for this but it worked when I bought it. Also it did not find any of my external hard-discs if they not have an external power supply. I know this can also be solved but with my present Nvidia Shield I do not have any "surprises". Just plug and play and it is ready to go . That is how a media-player should work.
Also from day one the Egreat "surprised" me randomly with continuing disturbing hisses in the sound. This happened in the Egreat-player as well as in Vidon and in Kodi 17.3. Only when I put it on analog the hisses stopped. My Nvidia as well as my old Minix 8Hplus did /do not have these problems.
I know and accept all player sometimes give problems but this Egreat just kept "surprising"me so I am glad it is gone. The only thing I miss are Bluray menu and 3d ISO so if the Zidoo supports that I will give it a try. I liked the picture the Egreat gave but if I read your eview of the Zidoo correctly the Zidoo's picture is even better. ZDMC I will not use.
For Kodi etc I will remain using Nvidia so if the Zidoo just gives me menu in its own player; 3D ISO and that with no disturbing hisses in digital-mode I will be very very happy.
If I understand you correctly Zidoo gives me 3d ISO WITH Menu in its own player yes ?......
Thank you for your answer.....it "showed"me a "hopefull" alternative after MY Egreat disaster.
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Hello,
Here is the HDD temperature before and after a movie with and without FAN.
I have a WD Red 3To ( we know that the wd red 3To does not heat and a low speed of 5400 rpm)
The running time of the film is two hour and it is on the internal hard drive
It is just for information.
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WITH FAN
Before the movie
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/887900DSC04688.jpg)
After the movie
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/373246DSC04690.jpg)
It is lukewarm in touch with the hand
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/925553DSC04691.jpg)
WITHOUT FAN
Before the movie
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/923926DSC04692.jpg)
After the movie
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/818782DSC04696.jpg)
I check the temperature in the case, there is a temperature of 30.2 degrees Celsius
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/977406DSC04699.jpg)
see you
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hello cillo99,
If I understand you correctly Zidoo gives me 3d ISO WITH Menu in its own player yes ?......
Yes, BD menu with ISO 2D/3D when you use their home theater app.
I put a video that shows the support of a 3D ISO in my review.
here it is
[youtube]https://youtu.be/OcNdcSZ30VI[/youtube]
See you
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Hello all,
I think to make a comparison about the gradient of color in some movie scenes (titanic,deepwater horizon, etc...) between the Egreat A10 and the Zidoo X10 with the settings by default (out of the box) and my default settings that I use on my tv ( Nicolas settings available on hdfever forum for Sony x930c)
If what I see with my eyes is visible on the pictures, I will post them on my thread.
see you
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Hello
Which one has the best picture quality of blurays?
Zidoo X8/9S
Egreat A5/10
Himedia Q10 pro
Nvidia Shield TV
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Hello Cemo,
For having seen some movies several times with different boxes on my TV Sony 65X930C, I have a preference for zidoo (out of box), it is just my opinion.
Tonight or tomorrow I will start a small comparison between the egreat and the zidoo
I am not an expert, but I will try to show why I prefer the zidoo to the egreat or the himedia
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hello cillo99,
If I understand you correctly Zidoo gives me 3d ISO WITH Menu in its own player yes ?......
Yes, BD menu with ISO 2D/3D when you use their home theater app.
I put a video that shows the support of a 3D ISO in my review.
here it is
[youtube]https://youtu.be/OcNdcSZ30VI[/youtube]
See you
Yes that is exactly what I am looking for so end of the month Futeko will have my order for this Zidoo....looking forward to read your comparison between Egreat and Zidoo. I am certain it will be an interesting report. Thank you very much.
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your welcome cillo99,
Here are my impressions about the PQ of zidoo, this is only my personal opinion.
There are the same parameters for both devices
Some people say that the image of the Egreat is better, They may be right. but for me, my preference goes to the Zidoo.
Sharpness
The sharpness is better on the Zidoo ( out of the box ) but using the sharpness of my TV, we get the same thing on the Egreat,
colorimetry
I have a preference for the Zidoo.
Why I prefer the PQ of the Zidoo
With the Egreat
- Sometimes there are areas of the image with a kind of greenish-pixelated color with the Egreat (I had the same problem with the himedia Q10 pro)
We do not see it on my pictures, and this happens on certain scenes when there are dark gradations of colors.
- Another problem for me is the gradient banding with the Egreat ( and himedia Q10 pro ).
I do some pictures and videos, you can not see it correctly on the video ( It can be seen from the 25th seconds on the left of the image) of the Egreat, but it is present when we see it with our own eyes.
On the Zidoo
The 2 problems above does not exist on the Zidoo
Overall I find the PQ of the Zidoo better, and you have an excellent PQ at the first start of the box after unpacking.
As I said, this is what I think and what I see on the screen with my equipment
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Zidoo X10
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/690202DSC04715.jpg)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/LUmz_1Yv2dI[/youtube]
Egreat A10
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/229606DSC04720.jpg)
[youtube]https://youtu.be/dOSJbw3jXy0[/youtube]
see you
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Thanks Olivier
I had the same "banding "problem with my Egreat A5 on my Sony ZD9 too but I thought it was my cable.......My Nvidia does that too by the way but not so much. If the Zidoo does not...ok even better. End of August I will order it...just have to recover a bit from my holiday...lol
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Hello cillo99,
I am not an expert but it seems to me that the problem (banding) It is more visible on the boxes that have the chipset Hisilicone.
It is incredible the difference between the 2 boxes at the beginning of the deepwater horizon movie.
I do the tests with the default settings for the 2 boxes, after each person can adjust according to their tastes.
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/187934DSC04815bis.jpg)
Here are new pictures taken close (avatar movie), we can see that the zidoo has a detailed image, contrary to the Egreat which has a softer image,
i think the zidoo has an image processing that enhances sharpness, contrast, etc ...
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/843934DSC04813bis.jpg)
The result is an overall better image for my taste with the Zidoo X10
By adjusting the parameters of the Egreat and the TV we can almost reduce the banding of the egreat and have a better sharpness also.
ZIDOO
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/605798DSC04811bis.jpg)
EGREAT
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/851646DSC04812bis.jpg)
see you
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Hi Olivier
Ordered me the Zidoo X10 and yesterday it arrived ......(ordered it in NL so only one day between payment and delivery)
This weekend I will give it a "deep"look but yesterday I checked if it did not have my Egreat A5 'faults"and until now I must say that it surprised me.
It plays audio (both through the Kodi-clone as well as through the own player) without any disturbing hisses. The bluray menu works same as in Egreat A5 (if you use the Zidoo player) and YES !!!! it recognizes my external harddiscs (external powered as well as non-powered) both in the Kodi-clone as well as in the Zidoo player.
3D iSO works too (only no subtitles there ) so thank you for showing me this way. If things stay as good this could become my main player.
In the weekend I will do some more tests but for now I am very happy with it.
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Hello cillo99,
Thank you for your first impressions :)
I hope you will be satisfied with your purchase.
See you
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Hello all,
I do not have DVD movie ISO in my collection, but I use 2 samples for tests.
I checked the ISO support with the following apps :
ZDMC 17.3 Beta
Kodi 17.3 (Cobric's Version)
Home theater app
Explorer
for information:
The apps use the Zidoo player which explains why ISO DVDs work properly with them
[youtube]https://youtu.be/KuU0GH0kwKI[/youtube]
I do some testing and everything seems to work properly, except the Forward & Backward function for chapters.
This is not a big deal, you can return to the DVD menu and use Scenes Selection.
See you
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Hello all,
I just installed the latest FW 1.4.12, i made a hard reset to have a clean box with the following procedure :
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=2217.0
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With the previous fw 1.4.6 we were limited to 48 khz with HD audio files, i just try 3 audio files in 96khz / 196khz with the new FW , and everything seems to work fine.
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/708690DSC04882.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/205630DSC04884.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/490342DSC04885.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/989076DSC04886.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/936688DSC04887.jpg)
(https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/354639DSC04888.jpg)
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Hello Olivier QC
Did you have to format the HDD 3To before inserting it in the box?
Can the box format the disk?
If not, how did you do ?
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Hello mankwee,
it was already formatted (ntfs/GPT)with the Q10 pro.
I do not know if connecting the X10 in usb has a PC, it could be recognized as a USB key and able to format it directly
from the Disk Manager of win10.
see you