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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: Nice Monkey on December 12, 2016, 04:25:23 PM
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Android has since version Marshmallow the concept of Internal and Portable storage. Internal Storage is used for APP's, Settings and Data.
When a formatted SD-Card is inserted it will be recognized as Portable storage by Android. This is also valid for the Android Nougat version on Q5 / Q10 Pro.
To re-use a SD-Card as Internal Storage the existing partitioning on the card must be removed first using a PC.
1) Delete all partition(s) found.
2) Re-insert the card into the media player. It will now be found as "unsupported" via Setup ==> Storage. Go to the options on the top right corner.
3) You now can use the Android supplied Sandisk format utility to format it as either Internal or Portable. Just follow the instructions.
4) When chosen for Internal you now may move data to the new card to reduce used space on the build-in flash memory if desired. KODI itself will not be moved but the Data and settings will be moved as the standard procedure.
Be aware that reversing the proces is more complex and you may not remove the SD-Card anymore. It now has become integral part of your setup.
Use a fast Class-10 card for this purpose only as it will affect loading times of both APP's and Data.
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Useful info that overcomes any lack of flash storage problems, particularly useful for Q5 Pro.
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Is this method workable on internal HDD?
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No, SD card only.
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No, SD card only.
Would be conflictive with security and performance goals. The target is encrypted for instance and can't be used for anything else. I don't think you would like that to happen with an entire HDD. It is not an equivalent of a swap file (for RAM extension), which may exist for Android?
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SD-Card Only, it does not work with a USB 3.0 thumb drive ? These are faster in read/write, but I did had some issues with it. Now I am afraid to even use it, even on SD-Card. I'm not an expert on Android, but doesn't Android see an USB thumb drive also as a SD Card? Or does it handle it differently internally?
If using an SD Card over USB thumb drive is better supported for expanding the internal storage, I might give it a go and invest in a fast SDHC card. I believe with latest version of f/w and Android 7 (Nougat) the Q5 Pro also support SDXC (UC3) cards? Bigger storage and faster speeds! :)
Thanks for any reply in advance
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SD-Card Only, it does not work with a USB 3.0 thumb drive ? These are faster in read/write, but I did had some issues with it. Now I am afraid to even use it, even on SD-Card. I'm not an expert on Android, but doesn't Android see an USB thumb drive also as a SD Card? Or does it handle it differently internally?
If using an SD Card over USB thumb drive is better supported for expanding the internal storage, I might give it a go and invest in a fast SDHC card. I believe with latest version of f/w and Android 7 (Nougat) the Q5 Pro also support SDXC (UC3) cards? Bigger storage and faster speeds! :)
Thanks for any reply in advance
- Who wants to sacrifice the precious single USB-3 port for Internal Memory? You may not remove it anymore once installed!
- Never read anywhere that it is supported anyway. Yes, they use different drivers.
- Forget about using SDXC cards these are not supported on any media player I have seen thus far.
What you need is a Class-10 SDHC card of probably 32 GByte (=SDHC maximum), which will do fine for the job. You must leave it in once commissioned as Internal.
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Will this work using a micro sdhc card in the appropriate SD adapter?
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Will this work using a micro sdhc card in the appropriate SD adapter?
Yes, in fact it is what I used for actual testing myself.
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Will this work using a micro sdhc card in the appropriate SD adapter?
Yes, in fact it is what I used for actual testing myself.
Awesome, thank you.
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So i executed this turtorial and it seems to work out fine. I inserted a class10 Micro SDHC 32Gb into the Q5 Pro and formatted it as internal memory, but after that it still says 4Gb and i don't see were de 32gig went to or is located.
Any ideas?
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Hey guys, i followed the instructions as described. But after formatting the SDcard as internal storage and moving apps and data to the extra memory the media-box crashes. I tried rebooting several times but no luck, my Q5 Pro does start up but after that freezes and than needs a reboot. When i remove the SDcard the box works fine besides a few apps that were moved to the new storage space.
The SDcard i use is a Sandisk Extreme Pro V30 U3 32Gb, could it be that 32gig is to large for this option?
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The SDcard i use is a Sandisk Extreme Pro V30 U3 32Gb, could it be that 32gig is to large for this option?
There may be a size issue? I have another Android 6 based media player which absolutely refuses my 32 G byte SDHC card but smaller once's do work.
But more likely it is due to being a Hybrid card.
Tested my Q10 Pro with a 32 G SD- Card only for an actual install. Not using it in practice as I have no need for it.
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The SDcard i use is a Sandisk Extreme Pro V30 U3 32Gb, could it be that 32gig is to large for this option?
There may be a size issue? I have another Android 6 based media player which absolutely refuses my 32 G byte SDHC card but smaller onces do work.
Tested my Q10 Pro with a 32 G SD- Card only for an actual install. Not using it in practice as I have no need for it.
Size should not be the problem here. I manage to get 64GB microSD to work here. Tried 2TB HDD and 480GB SSD too. All working properly...
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The SDcard i use is a Sandisk Extreme Pro V30 U3 32Gb, could it be that 32gig is to large for this option?
There may be a size issue? I have another Android 6 based media player which absolutely refuses my 32 G byte SDHC card but smaller onces do work.
Tested my Q10 Pro with a 32 G SD- Card only for an actual install. Not using it in practice as I have no need for it.
I think i will try a smaller card maybe, thanks.
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Size should not be the problem here. I manage to get 64GB microSD to work here. Tried 2TB HDD and 480GB SSD too. All working properly...
Could you specify details for that 64 GB Card?
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Could you specify details for that 64 GB Card?
I am using Kingston UHS-I U3 90R/80W
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The SDcard i use is a Sandisk Extreme Pro V30 U3 32Gb, could it be that 32gig is to large for this option?
There may be a size issue? I have another Android 6 based media player which absolutely refuses my 32 G byte SDHC card but smaller onces do work.
Tested my Q10 Pro with a 32 G SD- Card only for an actual install. Not using it in practice as I have no need for it.
Size should not be the problem here. I manage to get 64GB microSD to work here. Tried 2TB HDD and 480GB SSD too. All working properly...
Do you have the Q5 or Q10 pro?
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Do you have the Q5 or Q10 pro?
Q10 Pro
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I tried another MicroSd card, a Samsung 16Gb Class 10 U1 card. The specs say it has 90 MB/s read speed and about 45 MB/s write speed. When i try to use it as internal storage, the Q5 Pro gives a message that de card maybe to slow for use as internal storage. Should i deny this or is the card really to slow?
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I tried another MicroSd card, a Samsung 16Gb Class 10 U1 card. The specs say it has 90 MB/s read speed and about 45 MB/s write speed. When i try to use it as internal storage, the Q5 Pro gives a message that de card maybe to slow for use as internal storage. Should i deny this or is the card really to slow?
It's slower than internal flash storage, but I don't think you'll see any performance loss using a class 10 card.
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I tried another MicroSd card, a Samsung 16Gb Class 10 U1 card. The specs say it has 90 MB/s read speed and about 45 MB/s write speed. When i try to use it as internal storage, the Q5 Pro gives a message that de card maybe to slow for use as internal storage. Should i deny this or is the card really to slow?
Use this method to find out is your SD card supports App Performance A1 SD (http://www.jayceooi.com/app-performance-a1-sd-association/) Association standard or not.
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I bought a sd-card with 32gb from amazon. (https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Android-microSDHC-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B013UDL5RU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486052415&sr=8-2&keywords=32+gb+sd (https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Android-microSDHC-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B013UDL5RU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486052415&sr=8-2&keywords=32+gb+sd)) With my win10-pc i erased the partition with "diskpart". but no information appears after starting up the Q5. And its not showing up under storage in the android settings.
If i create a partition with win10-pc i can see it in the storage setup, but then i cant shift any data...
Any help?
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I bought a sd-card with 32gb from amazon. (https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Android-microSDHC-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B013UDL5RU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486052415&sr=8-2&keywords=32+gb+sd (https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Android-microSDHC-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B013UDL5RU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486052415&sr=8-2&keywords=32+gb+sd)) With my win10-pc i erased the partition with "diskpart". but no information appears after starting up the Q5. And its not showing up under storage in the android settings.
If i create a partition with win10-pc i can see it in the storage setup, but then i cant shift any data...
Any help?
The partition needs to be made by your mediabox not on your pc. You have to re-insert the card in your pc and delete the partition. After that insert the card in your player and follow the instructions as described on page one.
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Ok, i found my mistake. My new Q5 was shipped with an outdated android 5.1.1 version. Trying no to install android 7 on it
Update: Works no fine with the correct OS ;-)
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Got a new problem :-(
i started moving the data. because i couldnt find any option in the storage menu to move data i erased the sdcard ones more, because i knew there is the moving option at the end of the partitioning process. The message said it would take about 5 minutes to move 4gb of data (but didnt tell me, what data). all went good, but a bit slowely. after about 10 minutes it reached 85% and then it freezed. i waited another 15 minutes but nothing changed. still progress at 85% and the remote was not responding any more. so i had to use the powerswitch on the device itself.
Now kodi 17 is not starting anymore and the q5 is freezing if you try.
is there a way back?
can i manually move data or tell kodi to store it data on the sd-card?
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i really need some help now.
no matter what microsd-card i'm using i'm running into trouble.
if i partition a microsd there is a message at the the end to move data now or later.
if i press now the q5-box freezes everytime on 85%. no matter if he is moving 2gb or 2mb.
and everytime after that crash. kodi (16.1 or 17) is not working anymore
what happens if the internal storage is not enough for kodi? will he automatically use the extend storage if i dont use that move option after partitioning?
or can i manually move data -> how?
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i really need some help now.
no matter what microsd-card i'm using i'm running into trouble.
if i partition a microsd there is a message at the the end to move data now or later.
if i press now the q5-box freezes everytime on 85%. no matter if he is moving 2gb or 2mb.
and everytime after that crash. kodi (16.1 or 17) is not working anymore
what happens if the internal storage is not enough for kodi? will he automatically use the extend storage if i dont use that move option after partitioning?
or can i manually move data -> how?
I experience the same issue on my Q5 Pro box and haven't found a proper solution yet.
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No the tools to move dat seem not to be foolproof. Had to do a full restore myself too, loosing all data implicitly.
Being prepared and having a full backup of everything before playing with this feature is highly recommended.
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I found now a solution which works fine for me.
The microsdis now formated as "normal" extern space.
after that i moved the folder thumnail from my kodi to the sdcard.
then i created a xml-file called "advancedsettings.xml" into the userdata folder from kodi
with the content:
<advancedsettings>
<pathsubstitution>
<substitute>
<from>special://masterprofile/Thumbnails/</from>
<to>XXX/Thumbnails/</to>
</substitute>
</pathsubstitution>
</advancedsettings>
replace the XXX with the path to the sdcard. and everythings fine.
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Is this method workable on Q10pro with android 5.1 ?
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Do I format as FAT 32? I used this methos but nol uck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VVjEopxfw
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Do I format as FAT 32? I used this methos but nol uck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VVjEopxfw
As per instructions on page 1, you need to let Android 7 format the card for it to be usable as internal storage, not a PC (which can be used to delete the partition only).
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This is quite easy to do. I used the following method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VVjEopxfw
Do not format the sd card (stop at 1:44). You than then check the sd card using disk management on the pc. It will show as unformatted. Then you can insert into the media player and set up sd card as internal memory on himedia q5 pro.
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Often an image says more than many words. Please have a look at the Kingston example for hybrid cards (supporting both SDHC and SDXC type buses):
- Only SD/SDHC cards with the "Speed Class logo" indicating compatibility with conventional devices will work.
- Native UHS I and UHS II type SDXC Cards will not be supported as these use a different bus not supported by Q10 Pro/Q5 devices.
- Speeds are restricted as indicated by the conventional logo (10 typically) using hybrid SDHC/SDXC cards for Himedia.
- Probably SDXC cards above 32 Gbyte do work too provided these carry the SDHC compatibility logo/speed indicator. See message of JayceOoi using a 64 GByte card.
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Hi
I am using a sd card from philips class 10 miceo sdhc. I did remove the partion of this card with my macbook and did install the card in my himedia Q5
pro player. But nothing happens. Yes the himedia is seeing in media centre this sd card and even in ES file explorer is seeing my sd card. But my internal memory is not expanding. What is the solution?
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I removed the partition from my 32GB Class10 SD Card. The card is now shown as unallocated. I inserted the card in the q5pro and set it as internall storage. But wh does it still show my internal storasge as 8GB, and why did I receive a warning that I could'nt install an apk as it said my storage is full. I almost wish I stayed with my Other box.
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yes i removed indead the partition and in ES exploirer it is showing now as a sd card
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Often an image says more than many words. Please have a look at the Kingston example for hybrid cards (supporting both SDHC and SDXC type buses):
- Only cards with the "Speed Class logo" indicating compatibility with conventional devices will work.
- UHS-I will not be supported as this is a different bus not supported by Q10 Pro/Q5 devices.
- Speeds are restricted as indicated by the conventional logo (10 typically) using hybrid cards for Himedia.
- Probably SDXC cards above 32 Gbyte do work too provided these carry the SDHC compatibility logo/speed indicator. See message of JayceOoi using a 64GByte card.
UHS-1 not supported as the card will not work? I use a UHS-1 card and it works fine, tried a UHS-3 32Gb too but that one failed.
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this card should work?
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this card should work?
It is labeled as a hybrid card and should work with Himedia (not with all media players though).
When formatted for Internal storage it will give an additional internal storage device, not expand the existing internal storage. So you end up with 2 internal storage resources. It depends on actual individual APP implementations if they can use that second resource or not.
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UHS-1 not supported as the card will not work? I use a UHS-1 card and it works fine, tried a UHS-3 32Gb too but that one failed.
Your card must be a hybrid card working via the slow bus. Nothing strange about that. Some cards don't even get the correct labels/logos, which is very bad.
Hybrid cards do work, but UHS I (Class-1/3) native cards without the compatibility logo won't. There are also UHS I Class-3 hybrid cards and there are even huge (seen up to 128 GB) SDHC only cards (typically brand-less).
Never saw an ultra fast UHS II hybrid card, which does not make too much sense anyway. UHS II cards have a dual bus and have a dual row of pins (easy for identification) and are almost as fast as SSD.
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What is the combatability logo?
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Is my SD card formatted correctly to be used as internal storage? I am confused. Is settings, storage it appears properly formatted, but in File explorer it does not. Is it correctly formatted? See Attached
I went ahead an decided to start from scratch to see if things got any better. But now my sd cards isn't read as internal stroage. Should I have removed it first? Now is says it is corrupt, but I can set it to used as external storage and use on my computer. Weird?
But I did get it to work now. I think I have it figured out now. The only problem I'm having now is that it freezes on shutdown. The only way to shut it down is to press the button on the box. Do love the picture quality.
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UHS-1 not supported as the card will not work? I use a UHS-1 card and it works fine, tried a UHS-3 32Gb too but that one failed.
Your card must be a hybrid card working via the slow bus. Nothing strange about that. Some cards don't even get the correct labels/logos, which is very bad.
Hybrid cards do work, but UHS I (Class-1/3) native cards without the compatibility logo won't. There are also UHS I Class-3 hybrid cards and there are even huge (seen up to 128 GB) SDHC only cards (typically brand-less).
Never saw an ultra fast UHS II hybrid card, which does not make too much sense anyway. UHS II cards have a dual bus and have a dual row of pins (easy for identification) and are almost as fast as SSD.
I tried this one.
(https://www.dataio.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SanDisk-32GB-microSD-Pro-300x300.jpg)
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@ Mr. Ed.
According the label it is a high speed UHS I speed 3 only bus card despite being 32 GByte and I would be surprised if it worked. But a very nice card for high speed 4K UHD cameras indeed as indicated. :)
There is no indication for compatibility mode on it. :o
Very misleading as it even states SDHC. Sorry but SANdisk makes a real mess of their SD-Card labeling. They probably call everything up till 32 GByte SDHC (factory formatted FAT32) and 64 GByte and above SDXC (factory formatted exFAT) which is absolutely misleading information. HW reader slot/bus compatibility is the real important piece of information, which in this case was done correctly but I would hence call it also an SDXC card and not SDHC, but who is me if even a market leader does it differently!
@ Paolo
Looks like you got it formatted right as Internal storage also being a 32 Gbyte card. :)
But you can't use it as Portable at the same time and you may never take it out again once being deployed as Internal.
Taking it out (even shortly) will cause all kind of instabilities and may cause loss of data, settings and APP's added. :'(
You may need to do a full FW restore to get back to normal.
To use the additional Internal storage facility the new extra APP's must be installed on it or moved to it individually per APP. Not all APP's will support this. You will need to look at the forum/specifications of the APP for support and ways to achieve this per APP. As all my players have 32 GByte flash, this is the point where I stopped playing around with Internal Storage and can't talk out of own experience.
The compatibility logo is a symbol that looks somewhat like @ with a speed indicator inside that symbol; this always being a 10 for hybrid cards. It is the "Speed Class" symbol on the Kingston example added (=Works with conventional devices). Mr Ed's SD-card is exactly missing that specific symbol.
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The card I used is a Sony Class 10. Happy it worked. The only thing holding me back from purchasing this box at first was that is only had 8GB flash memory. When I read they upgraded the OS to Android 7 and I knew a micro sd card could be used as internal memory I was excited. I tried not to install too many apps and I received a low space warning which was when I decided to purchase a micro SD Card to expand my internal memory. The picture is excellent and sound is very nice. I notice one app in Kodi 17 I now run on medium resolution (480P) and it looks as good as my previous box which I'd have in HD resolution (720P). Also I couln't find the box for a price I could afford. Even directly out of China it cost more than ordering from futeko. The free shipping was nice, I think for streaming TV / movies 2GB RAM is enough, 3GB would only br useful for gaming, which I don't care about. The box is heavy, quality aluminum build. Premium quality, even the remote has a nice feel to it. Only wish it had a STOP button on the rmote and the clock display was larger, minor issues. This is being typed on the Q5 Pro's Chrome brower on a Logitech K400 Keyboard. I love this box, worth every penny, and then some...
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The only issue I have is I cannot get the wrapper to work, but picture and sound is so good its a minor issue.
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Hi guys and girls,
I only see people mention either SD-cards or external HDDs, but what about the internal HDD (Q10 Pro). What I want to do is have for instance Netflix see the HDD I placed internally as a target to store downloaded films and series on. This is particular handy when you know you are going to a place where you don't have neither wired nor wireless internet and still want to watch Netflix. Netflix allows for movies and series to be (temporarily) downloaded to the local storage.
So is there a way for me to do this? I am however on Android 5.1.1 but I seem to remember that this option should be also possible on Android 5. I had a Nexus 5 (with Android 5.1.1) not so long ago where this was possible.
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I only see people mention either SD-cards or external HDDs, but what about the internal HDD (Q10 Pro). What I want to do is have for instance Netflix see the HDD I placed internally as a target to store downloaded films and series on. This is particular handy when you know you are going to a place where you don't have neither wired nor wireless internet and still want to watch Netflix. Netflix allows for movies and series to be (temporarily) downloaded to the local storage.
Only if Netflix allows you to do so via explicit writing to a user defined Portable Storage location. Hence an App setting/feature must be foreseen. Never saw one myself but hardly use(d) Netflix so far.
Internal storage (Marshmallow / Nougat) has nothing to do with it. The Himedia integrated format tool does not allow any other medium than an SD-Card for Internal storage anyway. But some other Format tools integrated with Android do allow this also for the Internal HDD (Marshmallow with Xtreamer eXpress media player). This would help for Netflix if it allows using a secondary internal storage resource, no idea if this is the case either.
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Mmm, I tried formatting the internal drive but no formatting tool could even find the HDD unless it was already partitioned (which I had done on the PC before I installed the drive). So eventually I partitioned it on the PC and formatted the partition to exFAT so it would readable on basically any device (PC, Mac, Android, etc). I know exFAT is actually meant for SD cards but NTFS isn't writable on a Mac unless you pay for a plugin or start hacking away at the NetBSD layer underneath. Anyway, exFAT it is and the Q10 Pro can read and write to it... just not use it as additional storage for Netflix and I don't think I can move apps to it either. Oh well.
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HiMedia FW 2.0.3/2.0.4 have added Default storage equipment support for use USB storage as "sdcard".
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1269/jz9z40285so2dzvzg.jpg?size_id=4)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2409/dc5qqdexnpbqc7kzg.jpg?size_id=4)
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I did this and everytime I update my firmware I have to reformat the card to be used as internal storage, Is there anyway to avoid this
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I did this and everytime I update my firmware I have to reformat the card to be used as internal storage, Is there anyway to avoid this
With the latest 2.05 update i constantly got a card error and there was no way to fix it, so i went back to 2.01 and now it's fine again.
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Just to remind People that formatting an internal drive with exFat Limits your Maximum file size to 4GB so if you plan on copying over anything larger like an iso then you Need to use NTFS
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Would this card work fine (UHS1) to expand the internal storage 80Mb/s transfer speed?
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Useful info that overcomes any lack of flash storage problems, particularly useful for Q5 Pro.
What is the fastest SD Card class that can be used? I currently use a sony class 10. It says 70 Mb/s speed, is this good enough? It does freeze sometimes
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Would this card work fine (UHS1) to expand the internal storage 80Mb/s transfer speed?
Card should be SDHC type and not SDXC.
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Is it possible to format the sd card as internal memory in Q5pro - whithout a computer?
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Useful info that overcomes any lack of flash storage problems, particularly useful for Q5 Pro.
What is the fastest SD Card class that can be used? I currently use a sony class 10. It says 70 Mb/s speed, is this good enough? It does freeze sometimes
This is a good mSDcard
http://www.enligo.com/nl/nl/kingston-16gb-micro-sdhc-class-u3-uhs-i-90r-45w-mb-s/16293b71-4959-47df-be9e-70a1c00fd497.html (http://www.enligo.com/nl/nl/kingston-16gb-micro-sdhc-class-u3-uhs-i-90r-45w-mb-s/16293b71-4959-47df-be9e-70a1c00fd497.html)
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Is it possible to format the sd card as internal memory in Q5pro - whithout a computer?
Yes. It has to be done using Q5 Pro menus.
See opening post: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1473.0
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I have tried 3 different sd cards. The first micro,unbeknown to me was. Xc , however both the next two were 32 hc@10-U3 - V1. I de partitioned using the laptop first. In sorted both into the pro 10 and followed the instructions. While formatting, the pro 10 started of at 20%, proceeded to 40%, but after around 10 seconds blew out the cards and said were unsupported.
Would anyone have a clue what I’m doing wrong. When on laptop removing the partition the card disappears from the disk management screens, so I’m thinking I’m doing that right. I’m unsure why the formatting starts or shows straight away at 20%, could that be a fault. I’m at my whits end trying to sort this. Any ideas appreciated
Thanks
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HiMedia FW 2.0.3/2.0.4 have added Default storage equipment support for use USB storage as "sdcard".
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1269/jz9z40285so2dzvzg.jpg?size_id=4)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2409/dc5qqdexnpbqc7kzg.jpg?size_id=4)
I tried this yesterday and chose another disk as internal memory. but when I restarted ui it crashed constantly and I had to change it again. any solution?
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Hello colleagues, I have been able to solve the problem. In the end I connected the card to the computer and deleted the partitions. create a new FAT32 partition and insert it into the himedia. It does not allow formatting as internal memory, it gives an error. but I chose the SD card as the default storage and himedia restarted. after reboot everything is working fine. That does mean to echo reset the apps and Kodi is already inside the new SD. You can see it in applications application storage. Now it's time to restore a copy of Kodi and everything is perfect with plenty of storage. I hope this helps more people. all the best.