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Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: Linuxx on October 31, 2016, 04:05:00 PM
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Hi guys, I'm not expert with video technique so I would like to definitive clarification. Sometimes I noticed stuttering during playback video with Kodi and I can't understand why. My TV is fully compatible with 24p. With a video in HD or FHD no problems. Only when I watch video that is a mux of TV or Web. Sometimes at 23,976, sometimes at 25p etc. Now I don't remember all questions that I would to ask :P so I start with these:
1. If a video is at 25p, it's better to set output resoluzion at 50hz?
2. In Kodi playback option there's an option like "Adjust display refresh rate to match video". It's better to set it on "Always"? Default is Off.
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Adjust display refresh rate to match video not work with himedia box.
You must install this addon
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1015.0
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Do really read the video with Kodi (dvdplayer) or with Wrapper in Kodi ?
Not the same
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Adjust display refresh rate to match video not work with himedia box.
You must install this addon
http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1015.0
Looun se non mi sbaglio tu sei italiano. Quindi te lo scrivo nella nostra madrelingua. ;D Una volta installato lo script, se come risoluzione ho 720p 60hz, come devo impostare lo script?
@Fa.Ch Only with dvdplayer. I use wrapper only with files in HD or FHD because below these resolution I have a lot of judder that I hope himedia fix very soon.
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Any answer guys? :)
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For proper playback with dvdplayer you need to install the Kodi addon what looun linked.
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I know, but with box output at 720p 60hz which option I have to set in the script?
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You have a 720p ('HD-Ready') maximum resolution TV?
HiMedia Q5/Q10 Pro do not support 23.976/24Hz at 720p.
720p 23.976/24Hz is upscaled to 1080p and output at correct refresh rate.
This is the same behaviour as most other products, TVs supporting 720p 24Hz are very rare, what TV brand/model is it?
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Hi big .! ;D Tv is a LG PQ2000. This is principals technical specifications:
HDMI 1.3
Treatment / frequency: 100 Hz
Sub-Image: 600Hz Sub Field Driving
HDMI compatible input 24hz
Video signals compatible with YUV input: 480i/p, 567i/p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 50 / 60 Hz
Video signals supported by the HDMI: 480p, 567p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 24 / 30 / 50 / 60 Hz
Any recommendation?
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Hi big .! ;D Tv is a LG PQ2000. This is principals technical specifications:
HDMI 1.3
Treatment / frequency: 100 Hz
Sub-Image: 600Hz Sub Field Driving
HDMI compatible input 24hz
Video signals compatible with YUV input: 480i/p, 567i/p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 50 / 60 Hz
Video signals supported by the HDMI: 480p, 567p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 24 / 30 / 50 / 60 Hz
Any recommendation?
Get a new TV!
Half joking, but pairing a 720p TV with HiMedia Q10Pro is an unusual combination.
I think you should set Q10 Pro output to 720p 60Hz, as this is the maximum resolution your TV panel supports. Regardless that it will accept 1080p signals these are being downscaled by the TV to 720p. Q10 Pro should do a better job of this. I don't think your TV supports 720p 24Hz.
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Hi big .! ;D Tv is a LG PQ2000. This is principals technical specifications:
Video signals supported by the HDMI: 480p, 567p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 24 / 30 / 50 / 60 Hz
I think you should set Q10 Pro output to 720p 60Hz, as this is the maximum resolution your TV panel supports.
It think you should read that again. :)
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I know that I have to buy a recent tv just for pleasure, but problem is not this. (My tv has a colors much better respect a recent tv that I saw).
I searched for good and I know for a fact that supports 24hz. Here's a full specifications if you want:
http://www.lcd-compare.com/televiseur-LG42PQ2000-LG-42PQ2000.htm
https://www.amazon.de/LG-HD-Ready-Plasma-Fernseher-integriertem-schwarz/dp/B0026MKVNQ
Anyway, 24 or not 24, himedia must definitely fix microstuttering and judder. With a PC, PS3, MacBook Pro and simple dvd player connected to the TV with hdmi I don't get any stuttering with all type of format with various fps. Also with my old WD TV Player that I selled to buy Q10 Pro. So the problem is not tv because if so every person with a no-recent TV in the world would have problems with video files.
As I said at the begin of thread, I don't get any problem with file in HD and FHD. Only with SD quality, and this is unacceptable because an universal player should not focus only on high formats and failing with low formats that are still a standard.
UPDATE: I changed output to 720p 50hz and stuttering with 25fps is less frequent and perceptible. So i think himedia frame switch is based on HZ and this is a big and totally error, because the framerate switch is must be based on FPS of video files. It's a very shame for a potential box. I hope himedia will change these point for next major fw release.
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I know that I have to buy a recent tv just for pleasure, but problem is not this. (My tv has a colors much better respect a recent tv that I saw).
I doubt, the new LG Oled TV's have perfect colors!
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Without the additional HMP patch theres no stutter with 24p SD material, with HMP. I wasn't able to test 25p or 30p SD videos tho', like avi or wmv. With DVD's there is still the deinterlace bug in the firmware, which causes rough edges, but have no experience if stuttering also.
Simply set the wrapper to HMP if the stuttering only appears with KODI Player.
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With HMP stuttering is less evident with 25fps but there's judder also with 23,976fps. With video in HD/FHD no problem. Yesterday I watched American Horror Story 6x02 WebRip quality and fortunately I don't noticed any stuttering. An ironic example is with my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 connected through HDMI adapter. It can play all files without stuttering or judder.
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With HMP stuttering is less evident with 25fps but there's judder also with 23,976fps. With video in HD/FHD no problem. Yesterday I watched American Horror Story 6x02 WebRip quality and fortunately I don't noticed any stuttering. An ironic example is with my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 connected through HDMI adapter. It can play all files without stuttering or judder.
But you are using a 720p max TV, yes?
This is not typical. On a TV that supports 1080p 24Hz there is no stuttering.
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My tv is HD Ready but support 1080p 24hz. I should set output to 1080p and enable 24p mode?
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough before. I sum up the situation:
Linuxx wrote:
Video signals supported by the HDMI: 480p, 567p, 720p, 1080i/p @ 24 / 30 / 50 / 60 Hz
I just trim this down to be clear enough: Video signals supported by the HDMI: 1080p @ 60 Hz on his TV.
This means he should configure 1080P 60Hz at Setting\Display and 16:9 and 24Hz On at Setting\Playback.
Furthermore he should install the auto framerate addon as looun already wrote. I don't have the addon installed because I don't use Kodi's dvdplayer so I have no clue how he should configure it. He asked that already a few post before and it wasn't answered yet.
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New TV will come soon. I just was thinking to buy it for a few time. But as I wrote in previous post, himedia should correct the problem because framerate switch must be based on fps and not on HZ or tv resolution. With another players I always played video at 23,976 without stuttering.
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New TV will come soon. I just was thinking to buy it for a few time. But as I wrote in previous post, himedia should correct the problem because framerate switch must be based on fps and not on HZ or tv resolution. With another players I always played video at 23,976 without stuttering.
Auto Frame rate switching is based on source fps in Hi Player in generally, but in your case with 720p TV and the will of 23.976fps, this pairing isn't supported (as the Admin wrote). But I agree in some level, that this should be an expected featrure, regardless if it's labeled -also- as a "4K media player", since it is still a Media Player, that should have this feature in it's basics...
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Wow, I never heard that a TV can support 1080p signal but the panel only displays 720p. One can always learn.
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But I agree in some level, that this should be an expected featrure, regardless if it's labeled -also- as a "4K media player", since it is still a Media Player, that should have this feature in it's basics...
Yeah! This is what I want mean. Just a cit from my previous post: "With a PC, PS3, MacBook Pro and simple dvd player connected to the TV with hdmi I don't get any stuttering with all type of format with various fps. Also with my old WD TV Player that I selled to buy Q10 Pro.".
Anyway on every sites you can read that my TV support 24p real cinema.
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Resuming the thread, I noticed that kodi stuttering also with files at 23,976fps. With himedia app not.
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Resuming the thread, I noticed that kodi stuttering also with files at 23,976fps. With himedia app not.
Isn't that the same point you've been making throughout the thread?
I refer you back to my previous answers.
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I understood what you mean ., but I repeat that I think himedia must change function based on HZ of TV. I don't say only for me but also for people that wants to buy Q10 Pro having a simple HD TV. It's like saying that you can't play with PS4 or XBOX because your TV doesn't suppor it. I find ridiculous that a player of 40 Eur can reproduce perfect a video and a player of 180 Eur not. As Mount81's wrote: "But I agree in some level, that this should be an expected featrure, regardless if it's labeled -also- as a "4K media player", since it is still a Media Player, that should have this feature in it's basics." Anyway next two weeks I'll go at my parents home and I'll test the box on their tv full hd that is more recent instead of mine.
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. as I said you were wrong on my tv and support. Eriol was right. After various tests I set output box at 1080p and activated autoframe switch in kodi and now it works. Stuttering with 23,976 seems totally missed. I tried with series Game of Thrones in SD quality that I remember a lot of stutter and now zero problem. With video at 25fps there's only a few micro-stuttering than before. But I noticed that is not very smooth with 25fps. Anyway I need others test to say that it works at 100%. So I'm sorry to complain again but Himedia must fix absolutely these point and also judder with himedia app. Q10 Pro is on commerce from more than 6 months and this is unacceptable.
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Ok I can confirm. Autoframe switch works like a charm in kodi at 1080p but always microstuttering with files at 25fps. So it's not a tv problem!
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activated autoframe switch in kodi
By what method did you do this?
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I used this: http://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?topic=1015.0
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25fps content played with the Kodi autoswitch addon will output at 50Hz and will not stutter.
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I don't know that you say. Yes, addon switch on 50hz output but there's stuttering. In these days I'll be at my parents house so I'll know if stutter also on their tv full hd.