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Old Product Support => HiMedia Q10 Pro, Q5 Pro => Topic started by: Frankie on March 21, 2019, 01:26:59 AM
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I wonder if there are any hints at that - the Pro line has been out for a while and they seem to get new models ready after about that time. Have they suggested that there would be any new models coming up on the horizon, e.g. with new Realteks etc.?
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HiMedia have told us there will be a new HiSilicon chipset box near end 2019.
I know no details except that it will be 8K capable.
We'll keep this page updated with info as we get it: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP100.php
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I think HFR is more necessary than 8k for a player.
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I have no actual information about chipset, but HiSilicon do have an 8K and 4K@120fps chipset already:
http://www.hisilicon.com/en/Media-Center/News/display_8K
http://www.hisilicon.com/-/media/Hisilicon/pdf/Display/Hi3751V811.pdf
I repeat that I have no actual information about chipset! This is just the result of searching for 'hisilicon 8k'.
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8K and 4K / 120fps?! :??? What does it matter in "practice"? Nothing to me. Or maybe just "nonsense"... If the SDK sucks in the same aspects as it sucked with the current flagship line, it won make any change... No interlaced freque switching at all, 3D iso outputs at 24Hz... And no one lese tried to play along with their chipsets in the "mainline", except from HiMedia. The only things that still keeps -in some pont of view- the HiSilicon ahead is it's PQ quality... But there's no perfect Android or any other kind of affordable Player option. As far as I know Zidoo and Shiled still have it's PQ issues, Amlogic's and ATV 4K and Nvidia card based HTPC's suffer from improper HDR passthough.
The only satisfactory way is a strong mind-upper Radeon card based HTPC with MadVR, that will cost much-much more than any of the "out-of-the-box" alternatives...
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120 FPS will matter, I can tell you there should be a significant observable difference if the TV can do 120 FPS. I know mine does (it is an old LG 3D TV from 2013). But the lack of a proper SDK will make or brake a device based on the new chipset.
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If you use the Android part for other apps, browsing, etc. that it may count. For video playback it won't. I don't thing that there will be other than a tiny amount of HFR movies in the foreseeable future (Ok, except from some home videos for an insignificant branch of users.). As there still aren't, and we are far deep in the middle of the UHD era by now. UHD BD and streaming providers still didn't brake the "24p boundary", and i don't thing that it will happen anytime soon...
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Having a matched screen and video source, no matter where it comes from, will matter. We first need good and stable 4K at 60 FPS, then we can dream about 120 FPS and 8K. One of the most popular cable providers in Romania launched its first 4K channel, for free at the moment. I saw it on a friend's 4K TV, it looks gorgeous (his infant daughter even said "that is a lot of food" when she saw a show on it). By pushing the boundaries we can get better video at 1080p and 4K video sources. I am sure not all TV stations are doing a proper 1080p and that some do upscaling (Eurosport, History and maybe some of the local TV stations in Romania).
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surprise? For shure for all of us. Q100 has same Silicon chip as Q5pro/Q10pro, does not make sense, maybe Imprex 2 engine & HiVXE does help, but many people has disabled ImprexEngine in Q10pro models, dont know what the new engine really make better, but for me it isnt interesting, if it dont move to 8K and more capabilities. THX
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I wonder whether the new q100 front display will show time remaining on a film rather than just time elapsed as before?
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@newbi14
Q100 is use same SoC as Q30/HiMedia Ai Hi3798MV200, possible new revision.
Q100 look to use same SDK version as HiMedia Ai with working CEC and normal power/suspend implementation, but this will see when BOX/FW will available.
Between Q100 box is not intend to be a upgrade of Q Pro series boxes.
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Q100 is use same SoC as Q30/HiMedia Ai Hi3798MV200, possible new revision.
So no wonder they list only N Wi-Fi and only USB 2.0...?
It's a kind off light version of the Q10 Pro.
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@newbi14
Q100 is use same SoC as Q30/HiMedia Ai Hi3798MV200, possible new revision.
Q100 look to use same SDK version as HiMedia Ai with working CEC and normal power/suspend implementation, but this will see when BOX/FW will available.
Between Q100 box is not intend to be a upgrade of Q Pro series boxes.
Ok, understand THX
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HiSilicon do have an 8K and 4K@120fps chipset already. Nice we can make all this but how useful is it? Most people have a 4K TV these day to watch 1080P only (cable TV, Satellite, Streaming services) . Never saw a UHD 4K Disc Player at anybody's home to be honest, many don't even have a BD player.
Nice but only good for own recordings and above all gaming. For gaming there are far better platforms!
A new box with just HDMI 2.1 makes more sense as there will be at least real implementations using that. Including HDR in all flavors with that would be useful.
For 8K sorry but there is no source material for that. Just let the TV do the upscaling as it does now for 4K.
TV broadcasting and streaming services just start to use 4K sporadic.
Bottomline we don't really need better HW what we need is better Firmware/Software!
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Nice Monkey,
I have a UHD 4K disk player and a ton of 4K discs. I'd say easily way over half of the media I watch is 4K, between discs and the bit of streaming I do. That said, I know very few people who have 4K TVs, and definitely don't know anyone who has 4K discs or players. Even I have no desire to move to 8K any time soon. Youtube does have some beautiful 8K videos, but I'm not ditching a great TV just to see some Youtube videos in a bit higher rez. So I have to agree with you, 8K and 4K@120fps features are bonus "nice to haves", but HDMI 2.1 features will be more useful in the near future. I'm not opposed to 8K being available in a device tho, just for future proofing.
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I noticed the features of the HiMedia Q100 model, but being owner of the Himedia Q10 pro I don't see big differences that can justify the upgrade to this model.
Maybe firmware with less bugs?
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I noticed the features of the HiMedia Q100 model, but being owner of the Himedia Q10 pro I don't see big differences that can justify the upgrade to this model.
Maybe firmware with less bugs?
Q100 looks to be just a Q30 dressed in a new case, the only technical advantage is it has more storage.
Firmware is still android 7 and probably still the same bugs. There is no Bluetooth just like the q30.
Certainly not worth acquiring.
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It would be nice if the new model has (at least) on of these features:
- full HDMI 2.1 ports
- HDR support for: HDR10/HDR10+/Dolby Vision
- Able to play 4320p (30/60fps) content
- .ax (Wi-Fi6) WiFi
- 10Gbit ethernet ports (2.5Gbit or 5Gbit would also be nice)
- IMAX Enhanced feature
Did I miss any....
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The price for such a device would be in the hundreds of dollars/euros (I honestly do not see why 1 Gbit is not enough for local content, since 1 Gbit is not yet surpassed by even the most demanding bitrates). I would love to have any of the other features that HS2005 has pointed out. I would love for it to have any form of CoreELEC, LibreELEC or OpenElec instead of Android with a strong WiFi chipset. I would pay 200 to 300 EURO tops for it. HiMedia could be able to cut on the cost by giving up Android.
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The price for such a device would be in the hundreds of dollars/euros (I honestly do not see why 1 Gbit is not enough for local content, since 1 Gbit is not yet surpassed by even the most demanding bitrates). I would love to have any of the other features that HS2005 has pointed out. I would love for it to have any form of CoreELEC, LibreELEC or OpenElec instead of Android with a strong WiFi chipset. I would pay 200 to 300 EURO tops for it. HiMedia could be able to cut on the cost by giving up Android.
I got the HiMedia Q10 Pro since 2016 and for me personally I don't mind if the new device costs 300/400 dollars/euro's. If you own these devices for let's say 4 or 5 years then it's a good investment.
Regarding the content: you might never know if we have 8K content (10/12bit) running at 120fps in about 5 years. If your 1 Gbit ports could handle it then it should be no problem. It also depends on the compression used (maybe h266?) HiMedia could also bring out 2 devices with 8K like they did with the Q5 Pro/Q10 Pro.
And like already mentioned in this post, yes the software must also be good. Don't want to many bugs to start with...
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After like 12 FW or so the Q10 Pro still have issues with VC-1 video playback (and much more). I will switch to HTPC as soon as I will be able, as regardless how refined would be the hardware (as in the case of the current flagship line), regarding the FW updates and the quality of support it will still not worth to wait for anything here. I would rather buy a Zidoo next time, than anything from HM.
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@Mount81
Excellent point. Likewise here.
What would be from your standpoint a good HTPC configuration and what software environment?
Not considering other highend alternatives like OPPO205, XBOX OneX (scorpio)?
Cheers.
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mihailuican
The AMD 2400G or 3400G APU's with Vega 11 graphics seem quite enough for 4K / HDR and a little bit of MadVR tweaking. One must need good and compatible fast RAM'S tho that can run at least at 3000MHz on a good Motherboard, that also has HDMI 2.0a port.
Not a so-cheap solution, but the most affordable HTPC option at the moment for 4K / HDR.
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Mount81, mihailuican
SMPlayer with multimedia engine mpv and output drive madVR can give acceptable output on event smaller configuration that you mentions.
Until HiMedia will have HTPC let's try stop discussion about HTPC / PC media solution here as is off-topic, if anyone like to continue please do on General (https://www.futeko.com/newforum/index.php?board=12.0) thread.
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Some info on new 2020 8K HiMedia box here: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP100.php
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Multiple posts removed discussing other platforms. This thread is about HiMedia's successor to Q5/Q10 Pro.
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Good morning
I saw from the HiSilicon site (http://www.hisilicon.com/en/Media-Center/News/CES2018_hisilicon_8k_end_to_end)that supports Dolby Vision, so at the Hardware level there should be no problem, only a license issue remains.
Thanks
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HiMedia would better get in the Android TV bandwagon. I think I saw some Android TVs with HiSilicon chipset, but their performance is not that good, it is lacking a good display and the chipset is on the lower end. I, for one would love to re-iterate that Android is not suitable for media playback as OpenElec/CoreElec/LibreElec are. I would almost jump the gun on a HiMedia TV box with any of the 3 open OS platforms. Linux-based firmware is a hell of a lot easier to maintain than Android and it has less costs, not to mention that it runs natively and not through a VM like Android does.
I would urge @futeko to tell them this point of view, to go with Linux-based firmware rather than with Android, since a non-certified (from DRM/Widevine point of view) Android TV box loses its advantages over a Linux-based one.
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But with a such minimal OS like CoreElec, you will loose all the advantages and versatility of an Android one. So we're not just talking about purely local media playback features.
And otherwise these's proof from Zidoo a long ago, that with more professional support and competent FW development, there could be good and quite bug-free media players even using Android OS.
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Minimal? It can do everything Android can, but better. I mean what can Android do that CoreElec cannot? Please don't mention Android games, because extremely few people play games on a TV player. All those people on KodiTV forum must be nuts recommending CoreElec instead of Android.
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Games (yes I do use this advantage to play some party games on the wide screen TV), normal YT (CE/KODI YT is tending to get messy all over the time), and internet Browser options. Far enough for me, but lets's just say regardless and there you go and have a plenty of options from Zidoo, who've managed to develop both decent media player and general Android functionality on their devices. Don't go judge and underestimate Android by the experiences of HiMedia support only.
There's also Minix, who were also quite fair in this stage so far, and their new Android based Players are in the doorstep too...
If you don't need the Android and all the extras it can afford, just a plain KODI device, go and jump on the Amlogic/CE train, fair enough if that's all your expectation. Who would stop you to do this and why users with the needs of what Android has to offer would mean any obstacle for you?
Otherwise, there's a possibility that the N2 and WIM3 could run a fair enough developed Android too, with all the possibilities mentioned above (except maybe more decent local media playback, but think at it with CE with dual boot option). Too bad that they are a bit costy with VAT on the top in my country... And there's even a chance that the new Minix'es will be also dual-bootable with CE...
And in the end: go and buy whatever you want and available that fits your expectations. So will I.
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I think HiMedia should consider releasing a CoreElec/LibreElec device. I do know there is that Frankenstein device with dual boot, but as you pointed out I do not need Android on my TV box. I have had another Android powered TV box and that was also not performing as I had expected (no DRM, sometimes apps would not work). Again it is my personal opinion that Android has media limitations that a pure Linux machine does not (it is by design). I will purchase a 4K Android TV from Sony soon so I can do Netflix/HBO quickly, so I plan to have a pure TV box based on Linux.
Any custom Android build will have issues with DRM, unless it is coming from the producer itself. In order to have DRM L1 in Android one has to pay and there is a possibility that even if you do pay, some streaming apps will still not work at maximum resolution.
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Just curious, if himedia's next box will support two 3.5inch internal HDD's or they even think to release one with such a feature?
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Not a successor, but a different type of product based on similar hardware to Q5/Q10 Pro (actually same chipset as Q30, HiSilicon Hi3798MV200 vs HiSilicon Hi3798CV200 in Q10/Q5 Pro):
HiMedia S500: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP104.php
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Not a successor, but a different type of product based on similar hardware to Q5/Q10 Pro (actually same chipset as Q30, HiSilicon Hi3798MV200 vs HiSilicon Hi3798CV200 in Q10/Q5 Pro):
HiMedia S500: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP104.php
More info from HiMedia. Turns out (thanks pcristi for alerting us) S500 isn't the mix of Android TV and HiSilicon PQ we thought it was. The factory box will not have a local/LAN media browser/player with hardware support, despite the HiSilicon hardware being very capable. The problem is that Google won't certify a box for Android TV if anything other than standard FW is installed.
We added this to the S500 listing today: "As it stands HiMedia S500 has standard Android TV firmware installed with no ability to play local/LAN media with HiSilicon hardware support. It uses the same hardware as other HiMedia boxes so all it needs is the installation of the the Media Center and HiMedia/HiSilicon video player apps. We have asked HiMedia to provide these apps for sideload so local/LAN playback equivalent to previous HiMedia boxes can be restored. No guarantees."
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Not a successor, but a different type of product based on similar hardware to Q5/Q10 Pro (actually same chipset as Q30, HiSilicon Hi3798MV200 vs HiSilicon Hi3798CV200 in Q10/Q5 Pro):
HiMedia S500: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP104.php
Only £70/€84 - looks a bit cheap to me, when compared to the Zidoo range??? In fact the box looks very under-specified ?
"Internal Storage: 8Gb"?
"RJ-45 10/100 Ethernet"?
USB2?
I will NOT be considering this cheap piece of plastic >:(!
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Yes, it's cheap. That's sometimes a good thing, surely?!
It's a different type of product to the previous HiMedia boxes or Zidoo. It's intended for running Android TV and Android TV apps, not playing local media. Our listing has been updated today to reflect that it has limited local media playback capabilities, despite the chipset being same as HiMedia Q30/Q100 etc.
If you're waiting for a proper HiMedia successor to Q10/Q5 Pro then there is an 8K HiMedia box due next year: https://www.futeko.com/products/MP100.php
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Yes, it's cheap. That's sometimes a good thing, surely?!
No, you get what you pay for, the specification of this box says everything!
If you're waiting for a proper HiMedia successor to Q10/Q5 Pro then there is an 8K HiMedia box due next year
Then that is worth looking at!
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No, you get what you pay for, the specification of this box says everything!
It's actually quite expensive for an Android TV box. You are paying more for the HiSilicon chipset and Google certification.
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Honestly MP104 does not look bad and it is definitely not cheap. It is not a media player, it is meant to be a TV box to smarten up a non-smart TV. 80 pounds means it is more expensive than a Mi Box S (at least in my country).
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It's actually quite expensive for an Android TV box. You are paying more for the HiSilicon chipset and Google certification.
But the topic was "Are Himedia preparing a successor model to the Q5/10 Pro line?" and the S500 box is definitely NOT a contender.
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Back to the Topic: 8K is useless and looking at the hardware spec sheet of this new chip, it will only support 8K up to 30HZ and doesn't even have HDMI 2.1, only the same old 2.0. There's a mention of Dolby Vision support on chipset level, but I doubt HiMedia will implement (and get/buy licence) in the FW. So this new modell seems an absolutely nonsense for current Q5 Pro/ Q10 Pro owners so far.
What I would expect from a really updated player is: HDMI 2.1 with the potential support for e-ARC and Variable Refresh Rate and HDR10+/Dolby Vision feature. Oh and I almost forget: proper FW development and support.
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Back to the Topic: 8K is useless and looking at the hardware spec sheet of this new chip, it will only support 8K up to 30HZ and doesn't even have HDMI 2.1, only the same old 2.0. There's a mention of Dolby Vision support on chipset level, but I doubt HiMedia will implement (and get/buy licence) in the FW. So this new modell seems an absolutely nonsense for current Q5 Pro/ Q10 Pro owners so far.
What I would expect from a really updated player is: HDMI 2.1 with the potential support for e-ARC and Variable Refresh Rate and HDR10+/Dolby Vision feature. Oh and I almost forget: proper FW development and support.
I do agree that it's kind of strange that the new HC chip only provides 8K till 30fps and not support HDMI 2.1. Nonetheless do not expect content anytime soon that will have 8K/60fps and the same goes for 4K/120fps. On a side track: just watched Gemini man in 4K/60fps and it looked awesome, but Hollywood is not profound on 60fps material, which is a shame. It add more than 3D in my opinion. The HC chips was produced a couple of years ago, so I don't think it will have the power to decode 8K/60fps. I also don't see the AV1 codec present, which is important. It will take a while for chips to get to the full HDMI specs that goes to 10K/120fps atm. See https://www.hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1